Mamdani is not third part though, because he won the primary. So he’s the candidate from one of the two big parties.

Not really. New York’s mayoral election has ranked choice voting so it’s a different situation. Also, Cuomo is the 3rd party candidate at this stage - he’s running as an independant.

If Harris had won it is highly plausible she would have endorsed Cuomo leading to Zohran’s loss.

We would also not have immigrants in concentration camps. So you know, it’s a trade off.

So true, the Democrats had a fucking easy ass win all lined up and threw it so hard. 1.6B in campaign funds and they ran on, “We are changing nothing, but at least we aren’t republicans.”

Everyone below the upper middle class knows the government is not working for the people. People voted for trump because he ran on change. We know he is a liar and using politically uneducated people to push the right wing agenda, but the primary message of his campaign was what people wanted. And he won.

3rd party/non-voters didn’t help, but the loss is primarily on the Democrats.

Vote in primaries, run for office.

Good thing the republican ones are so much better, them being in power, right?

• Many core issues were addressed, from climate change to women’s rights and LGBTQ+ rights, to concerns over economy (which were improving and have since been downgraded).

• Opponent was objectively worse in Every. Single. Conceivable way. It is after all, a binary choice.

• Uncommitted fucked off entirely on their, absent of any comparative logic.

The biggest thing that comes out of reading threads like this is the erosion of my original belief that I thought the uncommitted were at least smarter and strategic and and more empathetic and more aware of FPTP voting. There is one big reason why Trump won: People were duped by endless amounts of billionaire’s money, seeing Trump at his best and Harris at her worst. I thought folks like you were above that; but alas, you drank the kool-aid just the same.

Edit: For the record, I think massive change in the Democratic party must come. That is not an easy task, but it’s the easiest path.

it’s almost like multiple people can be wrong for different reasons

Anybody who wants to continue the same old same old is just someone who doesn’t want to TRY something else.

That’s total bullshit. The leftists don’t get a pass for not doing the absolute minimum to stop the fascists from taking power.

Are any of the 70 million Republicans on lemmy with us right now?

That’s a huge uphill battle, it’s outright banned in 17 states. Yes, we absolutely should be doing everything within our power to drum up positive interest, but absolute best case scenario it’s going to take several election cycles. We still need to make viable plans for the interim.

democrats have a vested interest in preventing ranked choice voting and have already acted to prevent it in areas where it won. So i think fixing the democrats would have to be the first order of business

Agreed, but how do we get it implemented?

Telling leftists to stop bickering and infighting over pointless bullshit instead of actively attacking the actual enemies of democracy…

First time?

It would be saying you are perfectly ok with either candidate over the other. If you say Trump is worse, but the Democrat didn’t earn my vote so I didn’t, that’s pretty aggravating to hear. If you truly felt both options were equally bad, well I can’t imagine that perspective but at least that’s a rational stance for going none of the above with a different vote.

It often sounds like you will only vote for the perfect candidate who agrees fully with you on every thing, which is an impractical ideal.

All this said, the numbers didn’t break in a way for those third party voters to actually have mattered this time around, so despite how frustrated people may be, there’s nothing rational in harping on it for 2024.

3 options. 2 outcomes.

It would be nice yes

True, but I also read that the non voters were also about evenly split, it’s not like only the anti trump people stayed home.

He just had the popular advantage, mostly an indictment of the then status quo rather than an endorsement of Trump or indictment of Biden.

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It’s nonstop everyday now. Super annoying. You can tell people who to vote for all you want but at the end of the day it’s their choice. Harping on it after the fact does absolutely nothing but push those people further away.

Of course, you can’t fix stupid. At least a communist can goddamn read, so they’re worth talking to.

That would require investigating the underlying reasons for election failure instead of the smug vibes-based ‘analysis’ that centrists prefer

the character in the comic is not a nonvoting democrat (the subject of your linked article).

I did not vote democrat because I am not a democrat and therefore not a nonvoting-democrat. The democrat party did not convince me to cast my vote for their candidate. Just like now I am not a republican either. I did not vote republican.

Democrats lost because they neglected to consider just how important it could have been for their candidate to fucking come out against israel. It’s all she had to do: promise to not send a single dime to genocidal fascists. she had years of opportunity to fight her own president for that kind of change too.

Look what we got “instead.” A fascist who supports genocide.

Both parties are very much the same: capitalist.

Contrary to what left-wing optimists had hoped, Democratic nonvoters in 2024 appear to have been less progressive than Democrats who voted. For instance, Democratic nonvoters were 14 points less likely to support banning assault rifles, 20 points less likely to support sending aid to Gaza, 17 points less likely to report believing that slavery and discrimination make it hard for Black Americans, 17 points more likely to support building a border wall with Mexico, 20 points more likely to support the expansion of fossil fuel production, and, sadly for economic populists, 16 points less likely to support corporate tax hikes (though this group still favored corporate tax hikes by a three to one margin). Overall, nonvoting Democrats were 18 points less likely to self-identify as “liberal” or “very liberal.”

But my punching bag!!

Only 39 percent of Democratic nonvoters identified as white, while 28 percent identified as Black, and 20 percent as Latino. This means that, compositionally, the more conservative profile of nonvoting Democrats (compared to voting Democrats) cannot be attributed to a whiter electorate.

My, uh, totally not racist punching bag!

Democratic nonvoters were nearly twice as likely (60 percent vs. 32 percent) to have a household income of less than $50,000 per year, they were nearly three times less likely to hold a four-year college degree (47 percent vs. 17 percent), twice as likely to be gig workers (31 percent vs. 15 percent), and only half as likely to be union members (27 percent vs. 14 percent). Further, nonvoting Democrats were more than twice as likely as voting Democrats to report feeling the economy is worse now than a year ago (46 percent vs. 22 percent) or that their incomes had recently decreased. And, perhaps not surprisingly given their economic precarity, Democratic nonvoters were substantially more likely than voters to support increased state welfare spending (61 percent vs. 52 percent).

My not racist, not classist punching bag…!

I’m not saying the article doesn’t make some good points. But, much of it is self-contradictory. It says in the beginning of the article that we can rule out progressive appeals to voters as it was the more moderate voters that stayed home. By the end of the article its saying democrats need to appeal to voters by telling them how they will materially improve the lives of working people.

Focusing on how politics can improve lives of working people materially is literally a progressive appeal.

Granted anyone who either didn’t vote but would have voted Dem, voted for trump because they were “on the fence” somehow, or chose to vote 3rd party but otherwise would’ve voted Dem contributed to this outcome.

That said, yeah the terminally online leftist vote is not what swung this election. I say that as a terminally online leftist who voted for killmala harmus anyway

Gaza nonvoters alone managed to put Trump in office, and that’s excluding the other ‘left’ issues