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    1 month ago

    I get the vague impression that this is meant to subtly influence western society into believing that the masses aren’t truly people, that only the ones steering our collective wheels are actually human. Green arrow basically said as much for like… 5 seasons. Then it got weirder.

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      There were a few moments in the Marvel Universe. Spider-Man even had his first movie based off the common man and results of super hero actions to create new baddies. But the one that stands out to me is in Iron Man 3, where Tony is going to fire on one of the bad guys in the compound and the guy throws down his gun and says, “Honestly, I hate working here. They are so weird.”

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      I get the vague impression that this is meant to subtly influence western society into believing that the masses aren’t truly people

      Tinfoil hat theory would be that the evil leaders of real life (the ceos, the billionaires, etc) are planting the seeds so that if their plans fail and a revolution comes, they won’t be summarily executed

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        Could you imagine?

        “For the crimes of economy-scale larceny, murder, environmental collapse, bribery, tax evasion, and, uhh, sexual battery of a pack of golden retrievers, how do you plea?”

        “C’mon, I’m just a little guy!”

        “D’aww”

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    This is something I loved about Hitman. Theres a bit of set dressing appeal around violent infiltration, but by and large, 47 uses social manipulation, knocks out only a few people, and only kills his targets, who are terrible people that make the world worse.

    It also has a nice quote in a cutscene. (Paraphrased)

    “We don’t take sides. ICA always remains neutral.”
    “I hate to break it to you, but neutrality is a side. It’s the side of the status quo.”

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    For me, the best version of this is Avatar: The Last Airbender. Aang spends an entire arc lamenting how he may need to spill blood and kill the Fire Lord. Meanwhile the very same Aang had previously sunk an entire naval fleet single-handedly.

    How many thousands of sailors, most of them probably people drafted against their will, did you kill that day Aang? Remember when you literally sliced entire ships in half? Your hands cut through steel, would you have even felt the flesh you were cutting through? Or how about all those ships you sank? A fair number sank instantly. You think everybody got out safely from those ships? Or how about that time you destroyed that giant drill machine, the one manned by thousands of soldiers, outside the walls of Ba Sing Se? You think everyone managed to miraculously escape that fireball? And those are just the major battles. How about the hundreds, perhaps thousands, of fire nation soldiers you casually tossed around like rag dolls with your powers of air, water, and earth during dozens of minor skirmishes? What are the odds you managed to toss all these men around like playthings and NOT have a few of them have their skulls bashed open on rocks when they hit the ground wrong?

    The point of this is not to condemn Aang’s actions through the series. His actions were fully justified, as he was fighting a war against an expansionist colonial military power. What he did was an objective good. But by the time he’s hand wringing about having to kill Fire Lord Ozai, Aang had almost certainly already taken hundreds of lives. Hell, he probably killed hundreds just in that final climactic battle against the airship armada. The Hindenburg disaster saw 1/3 of the passenger and crew parish. And that was from an airship that crashed when it was already landing and close to the ground. Aang was dropping ships from miles in the sky. Maybe some soldiers with fire bending powers could somehow slow their own descent enough to survive, maybe they had some parachutes. But there’s zero chance that Armada didn’t have a fatality rate at least comparable to the Hindenburg disaster.

    So Aang blithely kills hundreds of conscripts without a second thought. But then he has a crisis of conscience that takes multiple episodes to resolve, and that crisis of conscience is all about…Fire Lord Ozai? This is like if someone nonchalantly participated in the Firebombing of Dresden and then suddenly developed complex moral doubts about putting a bullet in Hitler’s head. Aang had already killed hundreds of people that Ozai had sent to their deaths. No one was forcing Ozai. He wasn’t a conscript. He had full autonomy; he’s the absolute ruler of the Fire Nation. He doesn’t even have a Congress or Parliament to answer to. He has absolute total moral responsibility for every evil thing the Fire Nation has done. Yet, when it comes to actually holding the powerful accountable, suddenly Aang wants to talk about the morality of killing.

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      I played that game with my best friend and we hated every single second of it. To me, this is the game version of GoT season 8.

      I still find it incredible that Druckmann stuck to his guns and copy pasted this terribly executed storyline into the second season of the show. Idiot learned nothing. I’m glad I decided to skip the second season and just enjoy the first season as a stand alone. Pedro Pascal and Bella Ramsey did a great job as Joel and Ellie, but I sincerely doubt that even they could save the used toilet paper that is the script for Last of Us 2.

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        I never played the game, but I did know about the first game’s ending and about Joel’s fate in the second one, due to the controversy. I really liked the first season, but the second one just ruined it. It had its moments—sure. However, the entire story hinges on an extremely flawed premise. I just couldn’t get immersed being reminded of it at every step.

        I decided to take a peek at the fandom reactions and thought I was taking the crazy pills. Gamers loved it, and of course anyone who disagreed was a bigot or a hater. I guess it’s just my luck to stumble into shows that turn into shit and then get gaslighted by the fandom into believing I’m somehow the crazy one.

        For TLOU S2 in particular, Abby can go get fucked, for all I care, and the writers can shove the victim blaming up their ass.

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            27 days ago

            Which scene exactly? I’ve read a lot of complaints about different parts, but my biggest issue is

            Tap for spoiler

            at least in the show, they made it look like I should give a shit about Abby’s revenge, when her father and his science buddies were literally about to kill a child who couldn’t consent to this procedure even if she wanted to. For something that would have most likely failed, because if I’m not mistaken, according to the game, they had failed multiple times to to produce a working vaccine at that point. So all that whining about Joel taking away her choice is bullshit drama, because she was too young to consent anyway. That’s why I’m firmly in the fuck Part 2 camp.

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              27 days ago

              Putting this in a seperate comment because it is unrelated but that is a completely acceptable reason to hate part 2. (Like most good stories) it’s not made for everyone.

              I think the reason you (and others who dislike part 2) were (wrongfully) labeled as a bigot is because most the hate for the game came after the leaks and before the release, so all people knew was that

              spoiler

              They’re killing off the male main character, that’s so woke!!!

              and all reasonable criticism that came after were unfortunately assumed to be in that group.

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              27 days ago

              Was trying to avoid spoilers (even though most people know the scene, but some don’t) but I forgot about spoiler tags (probably because they only work half the time in boost)

              spoiler

              Joel’s death

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      Batman allow innocent to be harmed just so he can uphold his moral high ground.

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        That’s the problem with contrived writing to keep escalating stakes. And the necessity of not killing off a character to keep using them.

        I advocate for a return to Golden/Silver Age shenanigans for this reason. Make the Joker a prankster again, not a mass murderer in funny make-up.