There was one option that could be forced to be good for Palestine, but liberals were like “but my unity against fascism!!!” and browbeat progressives into silence. Remember Uncommitted? Well I fucking do, so congratulations on Trump.
Tankies are really showing their privilege. They aren’t under seige so they can afford to wait and keep their self perceived purity. Harm minimization isn’t ideal, but does help more than getting out of the way for fascism.
There are more than just presidential elections, and those often matter more, yet they still discourage people from showing up. Then they wonder why candidates they like stay on the fringe.
We could have more AOCs and Mamdanis. But please explain why letting Republicans win uncontested and sell even more weapons is helpful? Pretty much everything is better with the dems, even the ones that we should replace with progressive (which we won’t thanks to tankies no showing)
PSA if you read carefully you’d see I’m agreeing with you and asking you for help and for my efforts your working twice as hard to leave me in a worse political situation
We had two more. Cori Bush and Jamaal Bowman. Your pro-genocide-and-nothing-else wing of the party only ever protects centrist incumbents though.
But please explain why letting Republicans win uncontested and sell even more weapons is helpful? Pretty much everything is better with the dems, even the ones that we should replace with progressive (which we won’t thanks to tankies no showing)
It isn’t. Maybe democrats should offer an alternative instead of just slightly less of the same shit.
PSA if you read carefully you’d see I’m agreeing with you
No. You’re carrying water for a candidate that is no longer running because people said she shouldn’t have supported genocide. Your objection is to the genocide opposition.
Maybe democrats should offer an alternative instead of just slightly less of the same shit.
Did you go to the primary?
Your objection is to the genocide opposition.
No its to your lack of pragmatism in voting for progressives were possible and not careing about harm minimization where not because you are privileged enough to not care
“Then they came for the undocumented migrants, because I told them nobody cared about Trans people, and those people have dark skin so they make me uncomfortable”
Go to the .ml serversvand remind them why its important and that there are more than just presidential elections. They’ll put more effort onto justify their no show than taking an evening to do so.
To be clear I’m not even disagreeing with their complaints. But their discourse on not voting keeps us form moving left. Voting is an important part. Harm minimization is still important to many vulnerable people.
Go to the .ml serversvand remind them why its important and that there are more than just presidential elections.
Who the hell cares about .ml? Those are actual tankies. You keep throwing that word around, but it’s not synonymous with “leftist I don’t like.” What group are we talking about here, tankies or leftists?
But their discourse on not voting keeps us form moving left.
I’m telling you to back this up with numbers if you want to be taken seriously.
Go to the .ml serversvand remind them why its important and that there are more than just presidential elections.
Yeah, we know. It’s why your wing of the party is trying so hard to ratfuck Mamdani and Fateh. And why they succeeded in ratfucking David Hogg. It’s why they ratfucked Jessica Cisneros, Jamaal Bowman, and Cori Bush.
I’m not gloating. I was pissed Harris was the only option besides Trump, but I’m not an idiot and voted for her because at least with her we’d have elections in 4 years.
And at least with her there was a chance, albeit slim, that she only supported Israel in her campaign to get donations then would do what all politicians do and go back on their promises. Or at least see reason, something Trump would never do.
I voted for her because she was less terrible than trump. I bitterly resent everyone who manipulated the situation so that I had no choice but to vote in favor of genocide.
Anyone who carries water for genocide supporters IS a genocide supporter.
How about you went to the streets before you got a duopoly of genocide apologists to become your only option? Oh no, but but but, my team was bEtTeR.
But nooooo, you were fine with genocide as long as it didn’t affect you, and the multiple wars abroad before that. And now, you guys have to pretend to protest the dismantling of your own nation. Seems very much like karma, doesn’t it?
So, well done. The system led to Trump, not the opinions on genocide in Palestine. US has a history of being fine with worse. If you can’t see that and find blame someone else to blame, you’re too far in your own ass to see it.
Dude with this mindset no one could ever live a normal life. At any given moment in your life there is slavery, genocide, whatever going on. Any of which could be a reason to take to the streets in your mind. So since you’re not in the streets about slavery going on in the world you’re fine with it? You’re not in the streets about sex trafficking are you, I guess you just don’t care about sex trafficking and it’s victims because it doesn’t impact you. This is how you sound.
But of course, you lecture the masses oh wise one. Tell us the error of our ways, how did we stray from the path only you can see?
If your country is doing sex trafficking and slavery (the latter at least is true) then yes, that is something you should take to the streets for. Something happening and something being done with your tax dollars are two completely different things. Don’t project your lack of moral principles and/or spine on other people.
I don’t even know half the horrible things the US is doing. And the EU is doing plenty of messed up stuff too. Same with Asia. So wait, every single person should be in the streets then? What country are you from? Why are you not in the streets?
I don’t even know half the horrible things the US is doing.
Why? You have the sum total of humanity’s knowledge between your fingertips and you still can’t be bothered to at least educate yourself? “I don’t give a shit about other people and neither should you” is not the flex you think it is.
So wait, every single person should be in the streets then?
Literally yes. By the way, plenty of people in your own country are marching and organizing against for-profit prisons (aka slavery). As I said above, don’t project your own lack of principles on others.
Why are you not in the streets?
Because I’ll be imprisoned for years and likely tortured. How about you?
Again, what the actual fuck are you talking about?
Your reading comprehension must be absolutely horrendous, because at no point did I say anything that would have remotely suggested that I would do such a thing.
You’re still carrying water for her against people whose major objection to her was her support for genocide.
You don’t have to do that. But people are saying that selling weapons for genocide is bad no matter who does it, and that must not stand.
She’s not running anymore. She lost. The election is over. Attempting to convince people who already voted for her that she was a better choice in response to people who are upset that they didn’t get an anti-genocide candidate just makes it look like you’re defending the policy people had a problem with.
“First they came for Palestine, but I told them to vote Kamala anyway because I wasn’t Palestinian…”
Alright, so tell me which viable candidate would have been good for Palestine.
Harris would have been better than Trump. What are you trying to argue?
That’s their point.
That is what I’m trying to argue. There was no option that was good for Palestine, so using that as your sticking point was stupid.
At least with Harris there was a slim chance she’d see reason.
There was one option that could be forced to be good for Palestine, but liberals were like “but my unity against fascism!!!” and browbeat progressives into silence. Remember Uncommitted? Well I fucking do, so congratulations on Trump.
Tankies are really showing their privilege. They aren’t under seige so they can afford to wait and keep their self perceived purity. Harm minimization isn’t ideal, but does help more than getting out of the way for fascism.
There are more than just presidential elections, and those often matter more, yet they still discourage people from showing up. Then they wonder why candidates they like stay on the fringe.
Voting isn’t everything, but it does matter.
Are these tankies in the room with us?
Let me know if democrats ever have a candidate who doesn’t get out of the way for fascism.
When they’re not actively helping it by selling it weapons, adopting its immigration policies, and agreeing with it about vulnerable minorities.
We could have more AOCs and Mamdanis. But please explain why letting Republicans win uncontested and sell even more weapons is helpful? Pretty much everything is better with the dems, even the ones that we should replace with progressive (which we won’t thanks to tankies no showing)
PSA if you read carefully you’d see I’m agreeing with you and asking you for help and for my efforts your working twice as hard to leave me in a worse political situation
We had two more. Cori Bush and Jamaal Bowman. Your pro-genocide-and-nothing-else wing of the party only ever protects centrist incumbents though.
It isn’t. Maybe democrats should offer an alternative instead of just slightly less of the same shit.
No. You’re carrying water for a candidate that is no longer running because people said she shouldn’t have supported genocide. Your objection is to the genocide opposition.
Did you go to the primary?
No its to your lack of pragmatism in voting for progressives were possible and not careing about harm minimization where not because you are privileged enough to not care
Gloat more. It’s all you’re doing. You got your genocide. Stop trying to make everyone love it as much as you do.
I don’t think you know what the word ‘gloat’ means.
Gloating and gaslighting now. Unsurprising.
You still don’t seem to know what the word means
“Then they came for the trans folk, because I told them nobody cared about Palestinians, and I wasn’t trans anyway…”
“Then they came for the undocumented migrants, because I told them nobody cared about Trans people, and those people have dark skin so they make me uncomfortable”
Jesus, you people make up things in your head and get mad at them just like MAGA
You people act reprehensibly toward vulnerable minorities and then gaslight anyone who notices.
Just. Like. maga.
Tankies aren’t serious people and often discourage a shift left by abstaining from voting
Anyone who wants better than a choice between genocide or genocide with a light patch where the BLM sticker used to be must be a tankie.
Well they aren’t serious about the material results and neither are the tankies
You got what you wanted either way.
I don’t think you know what a tankie is.
Proof that leftists don’t vote?
Bald assertion, repeated with enough frequency. Nothing more.
Go to the .ml serversvand remind them why its important and that there are more than just presidential elections. They’ll put more effort onto justify their no show than taking an evening to do so.
To be clear I’m not even disagreeing with their complaints. But their discourse on not voting keeps us form moving left. Voting is an important part. Harm minimization is still important to many vulnerable people.
Who the hell cares about .ml? Those are actual tankies. You keep throwing that word around, but it’s not synonymous with “leftist I don’t like.” What group are we talking about here, tankies or leftists?
I’m telling you to back this up with numbers if you want to be taken seriously.
Yeah, we know. It’s why your wing of the party is trying so hard to ratfuck Mamdani and Fateh. And why they succeeded in ratfucking David Hogg. It’s why they ratfucked Jessica Cisneros, Jamaal Bowman, and Cori Bush.
Gloat that such a choice was unavailable.
I’m not gloating. I was pissed Harris was the only option besides Trump, but I’m not an idiot and voted for her because at least with her we’d have elections in 4 years.
And at least with her there was a chance, albeit slim, that she only supported Israel in her campaign to get donations then would do what all politicians do and go back on their promises. Or at least see reason, something Trump would never do.
I voted for her because she was less terrible than trump. I bitterly resent everyone who manipulated the situation so that I had no choice but to vote in favor of genocide.
Anyone who carries water for genocide supporters IS a genocide supporter.
Any other candidate if people actually thought for themselves
That doesn’t answer my question. Specifically what candidate, besides Harris, stood a chance of beating Trump that would have been good for Palestine?
You can go ahead and get rid of the besides Harris part of your sentence there since she didn’t.
That was to the ‘stood a chance at beating Trump’ part.
I know.
How about you went to the streets before you got a duopoly of genocide apologists to become your only option? Oh no, but but but, my team was bEtTeR.
But nooooo, you were fine with genocide as long as it didn’t affect you, and the multiple wars abroad before that. And now, you guys have to pretend to protest the dismantling of your own nation. Seems very much like karma, doesn’t it?
So, well done. The system led to Trump, not the opinions on genocide in Palestine. US has a history of being fine with worse. If you can’t see that and find blame someone else to blame, you’re too far in your own ass to see it.
Dude with this mindset no one could ever live a normal life. At any given moment in your life there is slavery, genocide, whatever going on. Any of which could be a reason to take to the streets in your mind. So since you’re not in the streets about slavery going on in the world you’re fine with it? You’re not in the streets about sex trafficking are you, I guess you just don’t care about sex trafficking and it’s victims because it doesn’t impact you. This is how you sound.
But of course, you lecture the masses oh wise one. Tell us the error of our ways, how did we stray from the path only you can see?
I would why it isn’t a reason for you to be protesting, but then again we both know the reason for that.
”I’m white, liberal, and fascists like Trump aren’t coming for me.
Must be nice to be able to turn your morality on and off like a switch, and only care about shit when it’s time to fund raise.
If your country is doing sex trafficking and slavery (the latter at least is true) then yes, that is something you should take to the streets for. Something happening and something being done with your tax dollars are two completely different things. Don’t project your lack of moral principles and/or spine on other people.
I don’t even know half the horrible things the US is doing. And the EU is doing plenty of messed up stuff too. Same with Asia. So wait, every single person should be in the streets then? What country are you from? Why are you not in the streets?
Why? You have the sum total of humanity’s knowledge between your fingertips and you still can’t be bothered to at least educate yourself? “I don’t give a shit about other people and neither should you” is not the flex you think it is.
Literally yes. By the way, plenty of people in your own country are marching and organizing against for-profit prisons (aka slavery). As I said above, don’t project your own lack of principles on others.
Because I’ll be imprisoned for years and likely tortured. How about you?
I absolutely answered your question. you just dont like the reality of it. not my problem.
Keep gloating that your only policy was going to be enacted and that none of the rest of us had any meaningful choice.
If harris had done the right thing, you would have voted for trump.
What the actual fuck are you talking about?
If harris had said that she would stop selling weapons for genocide, you would have voted for trump.
Again, what the actual fuck are you talking about?
Your reading comprehension must be absolutely horrendous, because at no point did I say anything that would have remotely suggested that I would do such a thing.
You’re still carrying water for her against people whose major objection to her was her support for genocide.
You don’t have to do that. But people are saying that selling weapons for genocide is bad no matter who does it, and that must not stand.
She’s not running anymore. She lost. The election is over. Attempting to convince people who already voted for her that she was a better choice in response to people who are upset that they didn’t get an anti-genocide candidate just makes it look like you’re defending the policy people had a problem with.
Because you are.