So I believe it’s confirmed the shooter used a bolt action 30-06. That’s a straight up hunting rifle, and they clearly had lots of experience with it. Plenty of leftists shoot guns, but it’s exceedingly rare for a leftist to hunt imo, due to living in cities, not wanting to shoot other living beings, etc. Maybe there’s a rare hippy survivalist who does that kind of thing, but they’d probably be using a bow or something. This is in addition to him wearing chud sunglasses and an American flag shirt, assuming those photos really are of the shooter.
This is speculation of course, but it makes a lot of sense in my mind. Your thoughts?
EDIT: I believe the rifle found was something like this https://www.mauser.com/en/MAUSER-98-STD-Expert/80112511 Again, I find it very hard to believe a person would own and use this unless they were an avid deer hunter.
here’s my reasoning, and it’s much simpler: chuds commit 99% of the adventurism that happens
yeah it’s really just a dice roll but it’s a D100 and don’t roll a 1
Called it
my reason for believing it’s a chud is that charlie kirk isn’t really much more than a joke among leftists for his odd face and preference for debating college kids, i feel like if a leftist were to target someone (which for any feds reading this, i disavow
) they would go for someone higher profileHe was an ally of the president and ran a fascist propaganda network for him, I’d call him at least a mid-level target.
Yeah when I heard 30-06 rifle I instantly thought “Oh, that’s a right winger all right.”
It’s Utah, that rifle, and the target wasn’t really someone the left gives a shit about. That does leave open the chance that it was a liberal of some flavor. Where I grew up it was fairly mixed as far as how they identified between lib and conservative. They all hunted deer though. And they all owned similar rifles except of course those who got weird with it and took up bow hunting. Pretty sure most of them still owned rifles.
I got my first shooting lessons from such redneck types. The type of family to pay for a huge mountain of sand to be dumped on a portion of their property so they can have a shooting range at home. (No, that’s not a joke for non-Americans. People love their fucking guns.)
Mormon nationalist killing a baptist heretic
I’d have one hell of a laugh if this turns out to be religious sectarianism, not political fighting.
outside of subsistence situations, in which case go nuts with whatever you can afford, i have more respect for a bow hunter. it’s more honest and you have to be better at the skill.
Ya ive got family in the southwest USA. In the same town one uncles family are libs out protesting trump daily. Other uncle thinks Trump is God’s gift.
They go deer hunting together all the time. Houses full of trophies and guns exactly like this.
It’s really rare in the USA for a leftist to shoot someone like that. Chances are it’s infighting, or a deal gone wrong among people who approved of his message .
History shows world wide most fascists die by other fascist in peacetime conditions
I think it’s very likely to be a groyper. The Nick Fuentes crowd hates TPUSA for being too soft/moderate. It’s kinda like a bizarro version of the split between leftists and liberals (except in their case, the hardliners are in power).
maybe it was the old lady from the weather underground who got away
One theory was that its a chud that was mad he made a 180 on Epstein but last time he spoke on it I think he called for the release of the files
After the shooting I checked 4chan and they were all cheering because Kirk was a Jewish sympathizer (plus various, even more antisemitic, ways of phrasing that). I’m not going to pretend to know how the hell they came to that conclusion, and I’m even less going to pretend to care. But, yes, for whatever reason, the worst chuds hate this guy.
He was a Zionist, right?
I’m sure it’s a chud. frankly I don’t think the American left has it in them for a lot of reasons, but one of them is they’d probably think about it for more than 5 seconds and not think it’s worth the adventurism
He probably had some esoteric ass groyper grievance with Kirk.
yeah if i was going to shoot somebody there’s better targets than charlie kirk that i’m not shooting.
IT ISN’T worth the adventurism. If you spark a civil conflict in the US, the left loses 100/100 times as it stands. Because there is no left in the US.
I should have said “realized” but yea
Like others pointed out, based on history alone it’s likely a chud. There are leftist hunters and there are people who buy hunting rifles and only use them at the range or in their back yards. If you want a sniper rifle quickly and cheaply, that type of gun is it. It’s easy to find as you can get them at any Bass Pro, Cabelas, Walmart, or Sporting Goods store. They don’t require any licensing or special checks, just driver’s license as you have to be 18. The cheap ones run around $400-$500. At that price point they’re not perfect, but they get the job done. They can take down big game from relatively far away. Some people were saying the gun is an older model, so it could be grandpa’s or dad’s hunting rifle. I would wager it’s not actually older though I don’t care to spend time comparing photos. It’s probably something they bought in the past few months.
Charlie was one of the biggest names to do the Epstein binder pageant a few months ago. He’s also one of the first to immediately tell his fans to stop talking about it once Trump got mad. That caused anger. Given that it was recently, I would pick that as a candidate reason for motive. It’s either a fan of a rival like Fuentes or it’s one of his fans who didn’t like his flip-flop. Kirk may have sucked up to Trump but that doesn’t mean his fans are on board with Trump.
Really, we may never get a clear answer. We can’t trust anything released by law enforcement on this and especially not from feds. Even the information about the gun may not be real. We’re going on the word of people who are mad and upset one of theirs was shot and is admittedly working to form some kind of narrative.
Also means, you get get them from craigslist ads with even less paperwork.
most leftists live in cities. most reactionaries live in cities. most democrats live in cities. most republicans live in cities.
these are all facts, and none of them can be used to characterize the general politics of people who live in rural communities any more than demographic facts about LA can tell you about the value structure of a random guy in East Jerkwater, West Virginia. capitalists run all the political machines in the US, but they choose different brands and narratives to paper their projects, depending on the landscape.
if i had to lay odds, i would bet the shooter is a hard-to-parse configuration of mostly right wing politics from Salt Lake or Toole counties in Utah and works in the Salt Lake City, Utah Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) with a tenuous, primarily historic-kinship connection to hunting; a father, an uncle, etc that hunts.
my logic: i just described the most typical/average utahan. if there’s a common characteristic profile to assassins/vigilantes/whathaveyou, it’s their isolation from community and alienation from common social grouping. every recent-ish shooter i can think of had politics all over the place, kind of like the average, politically incoherent american, and pundits/analysts both tried to either claim them or reject them, with varying levels of success, based more on their targets and easy narratives more than what they actually believed. this guy could come out as a right wing, christian identitarian anti-semite and i guarantee, much of the press and the influencer sphere will say he’s a leftist because he wrote some anti-cop stuff on reddit in 2020.
the actual critical ethnography of people who do shit like this and their value systems will come much later, if at all, by some weird PhD candidate and nobody will read their articles/dissertation. it makes it difficult, re: impossible, to predict their politics with any rigor.
i do like the idea of it being some activated ex-mossad cut-out as part of some 5d plan (Project Argus: Phase IV), but that’s because i like high level geopolitical conspiracies. i try to stay on the side of being entertained by them more than entertaining them myself. maybe one day i’ll get some red yarn, a red sharpee, and go crazy on a wall with cut out photos, maps, and newspaper headlines.
been following Nick Fuentes on/off for awhile. the vile shit regularly spewing from him about Kirk is unhinged. it’s reminiscent of what leftists do to each other about “not being left enough” and purity testing, but a whole another level with fascist violence/rhetoric + calls to violence added. it’s so bad people in the trump admin and trump allies are openly scared of fuentes groypers.
i think you’re 100% right. the shooter is easily a chud who is pissed/disillusioned with the trump admin + trump allies
trump allies are openly scared of fuentes groypers.
Wait really? I thought the piece of shit had dinner with Trump
fascism is all about hatred at its most animalistic level. that means they hate themselves, they hate their “friends”, and they’re filled with white-hot rage 24/7. so long as that rage stays safely pointed at women and minorities and leftists, they can (and must!) work together. but a coalition whose points of unity are so purely emotional is very tenuous. their lives aren’t getting any better, obviously. they propelled trump to victory, and they all want something in return. he can’t make them all happy all the time, so all it takes is for the wrong chud to have a bad day at the wrong time
dailybeast article: https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumpworld-panicked-over-far-right-influencers-loyal-army/
i’ve seen it posted/reported on elsewhere also but too lazy to search out
My money is on q anon freak that shot him because of something Epstein related.
EDIT: I believe the rifle found was something like this https://www.mauser.com/en/MAUSER-98-STD-Expert/80112511 Again, I find it very hard to believe a person would own and use this unless they were an avid deer hunter.
oh I can think of at least one other reason a right winger might have a pre-modern german bolt action rifle
Let’s just say leftists collecting old Soviet stuff isn’t the only political reason people have WWII junk still lying around.
My reasoning for him most likely being a reactionary is that someone having major grievances with Charlie Kirk to the point of wanting to kill him sounds more like fash infighting than anything else. It’s like if someone tried to murder BadEmpanada or Shaun. They’re not famous enough for most fascists to be able to recognize like Hasan.
The fash infighting is Kirk playing defense for Trump’s association with Epstein. If it’s fash infighting, then the fash in question sees Kirk backing Trump as a betrayal to MAGA.
I don’t think that’s the rifle. Wasn’t it collapsed into the shooter’s backpack?
Also, as much as I think this is likely a groyper, I think you have the wrong image of leftists in Utah. I don’t think they’d really look or hunt all that different from chuds.
I don’t think that’s the rifle. Wasn’t it collapsed into the shooter’s backpack?
Mauser 30-06 is what I’m hearing reported as the weapon found in the woods on the shooter’s escape path. I don’t know if there’s another Mauser rifle that collapses or something, but they all seem like hunting rifles from the site.
I think you have the wrong image of leftists in Utah. I don’t think they’d really look or hunt all that different from chuds.
Pretty sure I’ve never seen or heard of a leftist who regularly goes rifle hunting.
Pretty sure I’ve never seen or heard of a leftist who regularly goes rifle hunting.
probably happens in Appalachia
I’m a leftist who hunts, builds guns, and teaches others to do the same. It’s hard to oppress someone with a small arsenal, and even harder if they have the skill to use it.
Pretty sure I’ve never seen or heard of a leftist who regularly goes rifle hunting.
Well, they’re definitely not here because this website has a firm stance on veganism lol
I know anarchists that hunt
I would think a single shot .30-06 was chosen as something that (1) is normal and doesn’t attract attention, (2) is powerful and totally usable at range, and (3) potentially isn’t too expensive to abandon despite meeting (2), with a potential side of (4) is easy to get. Just like I think his choice of attire doesn’t mean anything beyond “didn’t want to attract attention”. Sure, it could be a normal outfit for him, it could also be something he picked up at a thrift store because his usual rainbow-emblazoned gear would be too conspicuous.
There are plenty of reasons to think he’s a chud but not his choice of clothes or gun, both of which we only know he used for one (1) event (plus of course some training with it).
Lol this is incredibly dumb reasoning.
