Today she pulled me aside and said that she disagreed with what I had to say. I asked why and she said that she believed what defectors had wrote in their biographies (she didn’t name any specific books). I didn’t actually get to counter that (or respond to anything really) beyond the documentary (Loyal Citizens of Pyongyang) I linked in my email which she didn’t watch apparently. She was respectful I guess. Should I respond with a critique of Escape from Camp 14 and In Order to Live or should I just brush it off?
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Thought-terminating cliche! The classic liberal coping mechanism.
You’re not going to convince your teacher through well-sourced arguments, but you may have sown some doubts. I’d look to your classmates as a better audience in this class.
You do not realize how xenophobic the average American teenager is. Fascism creates angst and rage and turns it towards outsiders, and high school in America is the prime place this takes place.
They also always love anyone that can own the teacher.
Depends upon the teacher, topic, and student.
I teach high schoolers political stuff all the time…
One of my best times in school was converting a teacher to Marxism before I was even there. Our grade 12 end of year social studies paper was an opinion piece about the fundamental nature of competition. Dude took me aside after class, I thought I was in trouble and he told me that it acrually changed his view of the world. 17 year old me was star eyed cause this was the most stuffed shirt teacher I ever had and everyone else was terrified of him. We got along well beforehand regardless but that was the biggest boost I ever felt.
Now I’m just sad thanks dawg
I think that a leftist classmate educating them might help them avoid falling down that path. When I was a highschooler I was able to get a bunch of my friends off of far right radicalisation pipelines and now many of them are communists
I know plenty of teachers whom teach across the 12 grades who say otherwise.
My friends in education think I’m right. Maybe it’s due to specific material conditions of our communities, idk.
like hell. they’re all spouting the same sensationalist nonsense. I’m considering tickling the roof of my mouth with a well-placed shotgun.
I know you may be joking but please be well and talk to somebody if you really have thoughts like this. Your life is so much more valuable than some stupid argument with a schoolteacher and you can only be part of the leftist movement if you continue to live.
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The day will come when we can all walk under the sun with a red flag.
I am honestly surprised that nobody has pointed out the obvious: who gives a shit, it’s just high school.
In 5 years you will struggle to remember this even happening. She won’t budge. I fucking promise you she won’t. This will be a waste of your time, most likely.
I would let it slide for now. Chances are she’ll say some other bullshit later that you’ll want to confront her on and I think it’ll be easier to do so if you don’t pressure her too hard right now. If you consistently offer commentary then hopefully she’ll appreciate your interest and engagement in the subject and be more willing to listen, but if you force her hand now it could close doors later on.
Feels like she didn’t truly read what you wrote in the email or the sources you gave at all. She probably didn’t have the time or didn’t care. She definitely wanted to talk to you in person so she didn’t have to fully respond and could dismiss it during school hours.
I’d say don’t push it, I don’t think it’ll go anywhere if the first email didn’t yanno? Pretty sure she has to stick to her syllabus either way. Good on you for putting the work in though!
I agree 100%
I would disengage. A non-zero amount of teachers dream about being little cops, and I’ve absolutely seen teachers call in “wellness checks” and various other forms of state control as the modern version of House Unamerican Activities Comission. Her mind is made up, she’s very content working as a propaganda arm of the state. Consider her a dangerously ideologically comitted liberal and engage other folks. She wants to hold all these convos in private so you can’t even hold the conversation for the sake of the audience
Fuck that. It’s just high school. What’s she gonna do? Fail them for well cited arguments written well above the level expected by the curriculum? If anything go bigger and make it public. The consequences are like, nothing.
Literally call the cops on him depending on the climate of the local education board and police, which sounds not great
What cops? There is no crime here. If OP gets shitty grades based on their political views, bring it to the principal and ifnthat fails, the school board. Where are you getting cops from any of this?
You can literally just call the cops on comminists and say they’re acting scary. Its not that hard lol. Theres no reason to be ruthlessly true to a person with authority over you who has ties to various institutions of state control. Every school has a “resource officer” for a reason
And what will the cop do to this minor charged with having an opinion different than their high school teacher? You’re living in a paranoid fantasy dawg
Because cops are rational actors that never make up reasons to shit on communists? and Karens never exaggerate to danger people who threaten their world view?
The only thing to gain is to feel smart in front of your teacher, and at worst that teacher can choose to make your life MUCH harder for as long as you’re FORCED to interact with them. I was put thru hell from a MATH teacher for “embarassing” them in front of the class by solving a problem different than they taught.
You can tell theres a bunch of embarassed Well Ackstually ass redditors in this thread. Paranoid fantasy my ass, fuck off.
Did the math teacher call the cops on you? You can’t even be tried as an adult for most of high school. Chill.
lol, that’s not someone looking to have their mind changed. Push her if they’re incorrect in class, but otherwise I’d just let it go and focus on radicalizing the students around you.
yeah no. fuck teachers I hate this shit so much.
Teachers are workers, too. They are some of the most overworked and underpaid workers in developed nations. So, teachers are good (as a class) and deserve our support.
While some teachers are assholes, most have too much shit going on to adequately delve into each topic they teach and engage with students. They have a set syllabus they have to follow that is dictated by the politicians (and capitalists). They can’t really afford to rock the boat.
Look at Knowing Better, who used to be a history teacher who peddled the same myths and bs as everyone else, because that is what is taught and that is what you’re forced to teach. It is only after he left the profession and got the time to actually delve deeply into American history that he learnt the truths that otherwise would remain hidden.
They are some of the most overworked and underpaid workers in developed nations
Respectfully, we’re overworke, but this job makes 20k more than the canvassing and retail I did in college. We’re only underpaid compared to other workers with masters’ degrees.
You’re on the money about garbage curriculum though.
That said, that shouldn’t excuse us any more than cops should be excused for doing their jobs.
If you’re Marxist about it, being a worker makes us powerful when we’re fighting against our conditions as workers, not when we’re laboring for the boss. Teaching is not progressive in the American school system.
I really don’t think you can compare teachers and cops. They are more like nurses IMO.
Teachers are workers, yes, but they are also PMCs, and tend to be libs. Although some can be left-libs, the process of becoming a teacher / the work environment itself makes it difficult for communists to be teachers in the USA. I am once again recommending the book Disciplined Minds by Jeff Schmidt regarding this subject.
Me after learning teachers are workers: :walter-breakdown:
Sadly, Manufacturing Consent works, comrade. If it really bugs you, focus on how it works and learn how to undermine it.
