I recently caught my chud family member watching some dumb youtube video about “experts lying about COVID” (yes, chuds are still malding), and like, what’s the fucking point anymore?

You can be as gracious, understanding and in good faith as possible, but people will believe whatever nonsense some idiot influencer says is the truth. It makes me so mad, and unable to argue with these people, because their irrationality makes me irrational. Fuck.

Anyway, how are y’all doing? kitty-cri-potato

  • OprahsedCreature@lemmy.ml
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    I mean, “experts” did lie about COVID, but not predominantly that it exists. Fauci lied about the effectiveness of cloth masks over N95s because the US can’t produce shit to save their lives (literally). So your relatives are partially right, but they’ve been propagandized against anything that could give them the full answer (like that supply chain issue was a crisis of capitalism and capitalism can’t handle real crises, rather it often causes them) so unless they can overcome that partial truths are probably the best you’re gonna get from them. I just interact with people like that as little as I can for my own sanity.

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      A lot of the right-wing nitpicking of CDC guidelines was very bad faith. Privileged reactionaries just didn’t want to wear masks and stay home to save lives. Ya, early on during COVID the messages were a bit mixed or imperfect regarding masks because we didn’t have enough high quality masks to go around. Everyone wearing cloth or surgical masks to prevent infected people from coughing viruses is still a fuckload better than doing nothing.

      I have no patience for rich people who did nothing in 2020 to compare CDC recommendations from February to November of that year. If one did shit that put a lot of people at risk of death because they’re selfish, they’re not even a human being in my eyes.

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        Ya, early on during COVID the messages were a bit mixed or imperfect regarding masks because we didn’t have enough high quality masks to go around.

        The surgeon general tweeting, “STOP BUYING MASKS!” and Fauci going on 60 Minutes and agreeing with a claim that masks could increase your chance of catching it are a bit more than “imperfect” messaging, if you ask me. Early on, their response was to lie and tell people masks don’t work in the hopes that it would leave more masks available for healthcare workers, it didn’t work and was a complete betrayal of public trust. It wasn’t just mixed messaging about cloth masks, they were putting out overt lies, many of which would become staple talking points of the anti-mask movement.

        Anecdotally, I have a brother who’s a bit of a weirdo politically but he was 100% on top of shit with COVID and early on he had liberal coworkers making fun of him for wearing a mask to work because it went against CDC guidelines. When the CDC did a 180, it not only discredited them but also discredited ordinary people who were trying to do the right thing and follow the science and pressure others to do so. If you’re bullying people for wearing masks in February and then bullying people for not wearing masks in March, people stop listening to you and start pushing back, and “pushing back” often meant becoming antimaskers.

        Yes it was generally also privileged reactionaries but as someone who cares about science I find it outrageous that these institutions peddled anti-mask nonsense and in a sane world they’d be held accountable to restore public trust. Unfortunately the only people looking to hold them accountable are the reactionary anti-maskers, for all the wrong reasons. Individuals should also be condemned and shamed for not complying with the correct guidance, but scientists and health officials also have a responsibility to act with a higher level of integrity.

        • The surgeon general tweeting, “STOP BUYING MASKS!” and Fauci going on 60 Minutes and agreeing with a claim that masks could increase your chance of catching it are a bit more than “imperfect” messaging, if you ask me.

          I remember looking up the effectiveness of masks pre 2020, and the consensus in the english speaking world was that there’s no real public health benefit to masking in public during flu season. They basically portrayed the practice of masking in Asia as polite decorum and superstition.

          Why did it take a pandemic for americans to learn what the Japanese had been doing for decades? IDK. But what the CDC was saying early in the pandemic was the same advice they were giving in the previous year’s flu season. So calling it a “lie” isn’t right, it was incompetence