The European Commission sees open-source software as more than an IT tool. Policy makers are encouraging open-source ecosystems to drive innovation, autonomy and collaboration in a world where global trade is being redrawn.
This trade dispute highlights something most open-source advocates have known for years: open source is freedom. It’s freedom from monopolies, freedom from arbitrary pricing, and freedom from foreign influence.
If only every open source software didn’t lock enterprise features behind licenses….
Companies still have to fork 90% of useful Foss projects and not upstream changes because they need to reimplement HA features and SSO etc every time
Not just software, but hardware too.
When each country can manufacturer everything they need because the hardware is all licensed openly, tarrifs aren’t so devastating
Note: design and licensing is a far cry for semiconductor fabbing, and not every country can do the latter.
Most countries depend ridiculously much on TSMC (from Taiwan), while TSMC depends ridiculously much on instruments from ASML (from the Netherlands). Grossly simplified, getting where those two currently are takes a decade, and by that time they’ll be a decade ahead (unless they get lazy).
As far as I recall, Samsung (South Korea) can fabricate large quantities of semiconductors on their own (but several times less than TSMC). Then come several Chinese companies, one in the US and one in Israel. Beyond that, there’s very small fish. The only European foundry worth mentioning (X-Fab) has dropped out of the top 10.
Fortunately most applications of semiconductors dont need to be super small and fast. Getting some old tech that’s 10 times the size and 10 times slower than Intel’s bleeding edge is fine for most applications.
Better for some applications. Cars don’t use bigass chips just cause they’re cheap.
Cars are a great example where it really doesn’t matter
Good.
But… This is a good thing. I will take it. More FOSS awareness is great news. As long as it sticks.
It’s not going to, though. As soon as the tariffs disapper they’ll be impersonating Dory, again.
This is what I’m excited about. My parents are in the market for new laptops, I’m going to see if they will take a framework running popOS and make the switch to Linux. It’s incredible that this option is now so approachable.
Throw something like Mint on their old laptops and they may not need new ones at all!
Unless they don’t have current ones, then ignore me, lol.
Hey, that’s a good point!
I think they’re keen to buy something new, so my main excitement is hey look a shop where you can start with Linux in the first place.
But I could also end up showing them how to repurpose their current laptops as media servers or something, which would be cool!
Mine are liking Mint quite a lot. They say they feel its easier to find stuff than windows.
Check NovaCustom too
Here comes Europe, Fuck Yeah. Here to save the motherfucking day yeah.
Meanwhile the EU probably pushes for the 100th time to backdoor all communication encryption backed by fascists and Spain trying to put down the Catalans…
And the UK doing the same thing and also a big surveillance state…
Sadly nowhere is great right now.
Several EU countries already have fascists or borderline faacists in the government (Italy, the Netherlands, Hungary) or have a raising fascist force grabbing for power (e.g. Germany, Sweden).
Don’t expect too much from the EU. We might very well overtake you on the road to open fascist total control.
As long as it’s an OSI approved open fascist, then I’m on board
Freude, schöner Götterfunken!
(Joy, thou shining spark of God)
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SEE!!! Trump is doing some good! It’s about time the power was taken from these arrogant, invasive, Silicon Valley companies.
Isn’t that what the tariffs and general idiocracy of the Republicans are for?
I’m working for the government, and most projects that were about switching to MS Teams and other US-based software suites appear to have crashed to a complete halt (which I feel no remorse over).
Can I say that the issue is much deeper than just tariffs, and that Europe should not be using anything cloud or AI based? Ideally not even from EU if not fully open-source or open-data.
I strongly support the tariffs but if this gets more people to use software that respects their freedom, then hey, that’s even better.
Are you Russian?
I mean, I have to assume they meant “oppose” and just mistyped.
Something like sixth or seventh generation American. How dare I desire a setup where other nations exploit us less?!
This is what we’re dealing with here in the States, folks.
Gawd help us.
Welcome to Lemmy. It sounds like you either come from a place of extreme privilege or you’re not actually sure how the tariffs will affect the people.
The idea behind the tariffs is fine. They want to drive union Members (fun fact, did you know that that’s how the founding fathers referred to citizens?) to buy and trade locally. However, many of the products we use in our day to day life come from industries that don’t exist in the US yet, and it will take years to create the required infrastructure and factories and farm land in order to create those industries.
Effectively, the tariffs would have been fine. If the US had actually been prepared to take care of itself. But it’s not, and it won’t be for a long time. So, the tariffs only exist as an extra tax right now.
Dead broke son of a low middle class family. There’s no privilege here. I’m not here for political debates. Ultimately, I’m here for gaming (particularly of the retro variety), open source software, Linux, that kind of stuff. That being said, I am going to say this much.
Unlike other comments here, I actually do somewhat agree with what you’re saying in the sense that it’s gonna be a little harder because we don’t have those industries here at home. The problem is, if we didn’t take drastic action, we were just gonna continue on the current path. Countless properties, companies, and assets are owned by foreign companies. If we don’t put tariffs on the countries that are already tarriffing us hard, then we would just continue the cycle of economic failure.
Moreover, we’re seeing plenty of foreign countries already caving to these tariffs. Sure, you might see bigger ones like China resisting for a while, but it’s not going to last very long. They don’t have enough economic power to be completely self-sufficient, especially considering the fact that the majority of their wealth has been made on our expense. Without America buying up all the cheap crap that their corporations peddle, their economy will fall apart. What they need to realize is that if they want to be economic partners with our country, they’re going to have to pay their fair share.
Honestly, that whole concept just seems like common sense to me. If another country is going to do business with us, they should have to be conducting fair business and not taking advantage of us at every turn.
At the end of the day, much like a majority of political discourse on the Fediverse, I’m pretty certain it just boils down to a shared hatred of our current president. And honestly, I just find that very sad. It’s one thing to have an objective perspective or to at least try to have an objective perspective. That’s why, of all of these comments, yours is the one I’m replying to. But in general, the main reason I’m not replying to the others (other than the fact that I don’t want to waste time on politics) is that they are already showing their colors and I know for a fact that I could not have a proper adult discussion with them even if I tried.
we’re seeing plenty of foreign countries already caving to these tariffs.
Just Zimbabwe at the moment.
I think you’re bringing up good points about important issues. However, what the current US administration is doing doesn’t seem to solve any of those problems in any capacity. In fact, the previous administration did a lot more on that front, without collapsing the entire global economy at the same time. Also, as some other comments pointed out, almost nobody on the planet is ‘caving in’ to the tariffs. The vast majority of the world is simply cutting trade with the US wherever possible, resulting in Americans paying several times more for various goods, for no apparent reason or benefit.
Dead broke son of a low middle class family. …in a western country, especially in the US.
Yeah, that IS inherited privilege. You realize, that a low middle class american family is still in the uper ~ 10 % of currently living humans?
This is exactly why y’all lost, but that’s the last I’ll be contributing to this thread. As I’ve said, I’m not here for politics.
So, let us part with this few last words from me i write without wanting to anger you, just to with the hope you may contemplate about: “In todays age there is nothing apolitical. You are either a part of the solution… or of the problem”.
There’s some hostile people abounding. Let them think what they will, it makes little difference to the sum of your day. I don’t expect you to respond again. I’ll respect you and your opinion just as much either way. But I hope that at the very least, you take some time to consider what you can do to help the people around you create the industries we need.
I do agree that we needed to take drastic action in order to change the course of our country. In fact, I actually don’t like the tariffs because they’re not nearly drastic enough. The shift towards internalizing our needs should have come by empowering our people, rather than pushing away aid.
It’s not a secret that trading internationally for 90% of our needs isn’t exactly healthy for our longevity; but you can’t take blood from a stone. The people need help to get to their next decade, their next birthday, their next check, even to their next meal for many. We should be demanding that the powers that be use their resources to create a workforce capable of doing anything, and facilitating itself. That starts with putting people to work, which means helping them off the streets so that they have an address to put on their resume at the very least.
Have a great day.
It’s not about “hating”. It is because you (and the current administration) have no idea what you are talking about and are trying to pass it off as fact.
People really do not like imposters, larpers, and pretenders - and when in positions of power they get people killed. This is not a video game, nor a simulation, educate yourself before you speak.
There are many many expert peer-reviewed studies that show tariffs do not work - especially in the way Trump is using them. Also the U.S. had no “economic failure”, they’ve been the richest country to ever exist. BlackRock and Vanguard also manage a significant amount of U.S. property assets and they are American companies.
The problem was the wealth-gap and no amount of tariffs is going to fix this; people need to pay their taxes. Companies need to be paying the 91% rate they paid in the past, and people need the minimum wage to rise with inflation.
There is more than enough money to do this, but you vote for Trump who actively makes the situation worse. This is not to say Dems would’ve made it better - but Republicans will always make the problem worse, since that is their whole policy platform.
that whole concept just seems like common sense to me. If another country is going to do business with us, they should have to be conducting fair business and not taking advantage of us at every turn.
You previously totally supported the policy of Tariffs. Is there now anger at Trump for the recent reversal in strategy?
What reversal? It’s still in play. The idea is to use them to force other nations to play fair with us.
Thank you for responding. I was curious because you said something has to be done, and now less of that something is being done.
I was wondering if this latest development by Trump was a source of anger, confusion or sign of weakness, but obviously not.
What % of Trump’s actions do you think are being driven by behind the scenes people like Musk and Thiel? Same question relating to JD Vance?
Free trade isn’t exploitation.
In fact tariffs are just costing you more.
There is zero chance the USA will have anything to replace the amount you import in the term trump serves let alone a decade from now.
The USA will never compete with child slave labour I’m China and Mexico etc either.
Exploit the US less? How is the US being exploited exactly?
A trade deficit is never exploitation. Lets pretend it is!
All of the stats Trump put up weren’t tariffs, they were a percentage of much less they would have to import in Goods from a certain country to make for the trade deficit with said country in Goods.
Not a single stat on that sheet looked at the trade in services. America always had a service trade surplus.
If we combine the two, a lot of countries that seem to “”““exploit””" the US are suddenly exploited by the US.
But lets go even further: The countries receiving the highest tariffs are Vietnam and Lesotho, becuase the US has the highest deficit in Goods with these countries. Because both countries are too fucking poor to buy american products. A worker in Lesotho, providing diamonds for the US market, would have to invest about 20 years of wagest to buy the cheapest american import car. How the fuck should these countries reduce their deficit?
Okay, but still, we assume that a deficit is somehow exploitation. Trump has said that the tariffs are going to do two things, namely bringing back American Industry and forcing trade partner to drop “barriers and tariffs” (i.e. safety regulations).
For a tariff to do the former, it has to stay until the relevant factories have been built in America and have also paid themselves off. For a tariff to the latter, the possibility of it being removed once the partner comploes has to be on the table. A tariff can’t do both.
But hey, don’t believe me. Read the paper the White House cited in their Announcement of the Tariffs.
I get what the founders were talking about now. A lot of people really shouldn’t be able to vote if you want a functioning society. They just chose the wrong metric.
If you run a market and take a cut of every sale, you will make infinitely more profit than selling items yourself. This is exactly the position the U.S. was in - which is why it became the richest country in human history.
You also argue that the U.S. is getting “exploited” because they aren’t the ones doing the selling. But who cares? I’ll tell you who, people who don’t know wtf they are talking about.
In your infinite wisdom, the better choice is saddling yourself with more risk and less rewards because “the vibe” feels better.
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Gotta love all the triggered rage replies over a simple comment. If I didn’t know I was in the Fediverse before, these replies would remove any doubt.
Just noticed insane typos in the original comment, wow. Serves me right for using voice-to-text without proofreading.
*Serves you right for using your brain without proof-thinking.
Lemmy seems to be anti-AI, at least from my impression, but I am hopeful that AI will help invigorate the open source software world. If people can code better, faster, cheaper, safer (more secure) that will surely apply to open source as well. AI coding tools could bring on the Linux mainstream revolution. Imagine thousands of autonomous agents refining software for Linux. There could be a glut of driver support, apps coming to Linux, and so much more. I am hopeful about it.
I won’t hold my breath on it.
Up until this minute, AI has produced plentiful examples of how it can produce anything but good code.
I’d rather have a developer writing software, slowly, because they have an intelectual itch and want to try and see the outcome of their idea than the proverbial army of monkeys furiously typing away.
The other problem is unlike stack overflow, a helpful answer by an AI isn’t visible and indexed therefore someone else has to do another prompt for the potential answer.
It’s pretty useful replacing stack overflow that could also generate code specific to your project. It’s also useful for testing. Like any tool, it has its use cases.
I sometimes float the idea in my brain to learn how to code. If I ever come to it, I want to debate and discuss my work with another human. Not a machine.
Personal preference.
That’s a great way to do it, but human attention on your code is a scarce and valuable resource. LLMs are great for the sort of lazy stupid questions where you benefit from a quick answer, but also don’t want to waste someone else’s time on. When you are learning nearly all the questions you’ll have will be like this, your progress is gated on finding the answers, and even if you are taking a class and it’s someone’s job to look at your code and help you understand what’s wrong with it, you have to wait your turn for that and only get so much help.
and there are so many cases in programming where you can save hours asking a really simple question that should be easy to figure out on your own but actually isn’t.
@fubbernuckin Well yes, but those hours are called “learning”. Learning must hurt, it’s a change in the brain, that pain will change you, you want to be changed. You will not learn to figure things out if you just always reach for the robot at the sign of first trouble.
No, learning is there part where you have to think. That’s not when you use the robot. You use the robot when the documentation is trash and unusable and every answer you find is out of date. You use the robot when you know exactly what you want to do and how to do it and you don’t have time to trawl through the docs for the next 2 hours. You use the robot when the only gimp 2.10 tutorial on earth for how to write plugins tells you to use this funny program called gimptool but you’re new to gimp dev so you look online to see what that is only to find that there’s no mention of it literally anywhere besides your current tutorial and a disjointed man page where you can’t find the source anywhere, and the devs are all on irc and you don’t want to bother them and you’re worried that they’re just going to tell you to read the tutorial you already came from and you’ll leave empty handed. That’s when you ask the robot. It has a use, you don’t have to substitute your thinking to use it.
If people can code better, faster, cheaper, safer (more secure) that will surely apply to open source as well.
I’m not European, but I understand that there’s an old European (German?) saying that basically goes: “If I had wheels, I’d be a trolley.” I understand that it’s been pretty well-established that AI coding tools routinely underperform compare to humans in terms of “better” and “safer”, which indirectly would also lead to it failing at “cheaper” too.
On top of that, there is another major issue with using AI for open-source code: copyright. First, you don’t know if the code that you’re adding through AI may be copying license-incompatible code verbatim. Because everyone has access to open-source code, it would be trivial for anyone to search and find copyright-infringing code to attack projects with. Second, the code that AI produces is also not-copyrightable, so that is another line of attack that this would make open-source projects vulnerable to. These could be used in combination as a one-two punch combination to knock out an open-source project.
I think that using AI-generated code in open-source projects is a uniquely ill-advised idea.
Unless they switch to running BSD, it’s all crap.
The isc/bsd2 license does not protect the user
You’re not a tech person, you’re an ideologue, so you wouldn’t understand the culture around ISC. If a company wants security, constancy, and longecity, BSD is the only thing to use.
Choosing between Windows and BSD, which would you prefer everybody use? There are companies that already banned GPL software from company computers, what should they use?
Look, im not even going to respond the first part. I love the bsd’s as well, from a technical standpoint. From a licensing standpoint, not so much (i see the value in a short license, though).
Im not concerned by what these companies use or do not use. Im concerned about protecting my, and other ‘common good’ software with a license that strictly prohibits user exploatation. The GPL does this perfectly.
GPL is evil. GPL is poison. You’re an ideologie. You are vapid of the original UNIX cultural mindset. It’s all mushy feelings you care about, not best tools to accomplish the work. You have no experience how to setup a BSD desktop. If you had a job as network gateway admin for employee network services, your argument would sound very different. You might as well as well say GPL fills my heart with so much love, I wish I could make passionate love to the GPL"
Saving this as a copypasta.
Go lick the boot more. There’s more to the world than some fucking computers. Go download yourself some grass and
touchit.I will in fact, fuck the GPL, I will make sweet passionate love to GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE Version 3, 29 June 2007 Copyright © 2007 Free Software Foundation, Inc. https://fsf.org/.
GPL is evil. GPL is poison. You’re an ideologie.
🤣 Do you hear yourself? No one’s going to say something as hyperbolic and emotional as “GPL is evil. GPL is poison.” except an anti-GPL ideologue. The “original UNIX cultural mindset” is itself an ideology. You are an ideologue. You might as well as well say, “BSD license fills my heart with so much love, I wish I could make passionate love to the BSD license.”
My brother in christ, unix was all rights reserved. There was a non-compete agreement prohibiting at&t from selling their OS, hence why it was more or less given to universities. Later, the BSD’s did a theseus ship, and at&t still tried to claim ownership through legal methods. For them, the license symbolizes this independence from at&t, which is why it doesnt lay claims on user protection.
https://m.slashdot.org/story/336593
https://www.hardenedbsd.org/~shawn/DEFCON-25-Ilja-van-Sprundel-BSD-Kern-Vulns.pdf
I doubt it changed much and it sounds logical too.
I don’t know what you are saying. Can I assume that you have never touched BSD, know nothing about how it functions?
Which one?
To make it easier and more flexible, I would suggest FreeBSD on desktop and servers. For routers or firewall, there’s nothing else but OpenBSD.
