I hope it’s ok to post on this community. It seems to be the most active. Skip to the summary at the end if you are in a hurry.

Every time the issue with google’s dick move come up, I barely see any mention to Jolla/SailfishOS. Why is this not the Linux phone that we should be supporting?

I bought an Xperia way back in 2018 I think, and bought their community support and installed. It was usable. I ended up giving up on it because it was much worse than the ungoogled android alternative back then. The GPS took a long time to work, a lot of stuff was rough.

And some things were great surprises that comes with using a Linux phone. Syncthing android wouldn’t install, but then I just installed the normal Linux Syncthing like normal and it worked perfectly!

But now with google killing F-droid and such, even a rough Sailfish will be a better option. I didn’t stop using it because it was unusable, but because open source android was better. Open source android will die, and Sailfish must have gotten better by now.

So why isn’t it an option? One thing I heard people complaining is that they are charging yearly for updates. Is this the problem?

People, even the very rich and evil microsoft gave up on investing in their windows phones. And those massive companies can only do so by profiting a lot from personal data. Any company will need a massive investment to be an option. Specially until it gains traction, with a small user base, it MUST be very expensive. And we, who want to see Linux working on phones, must invest on it. Otherwise any company trying it will go bankrupt.

There are few of us, it’s a massive undertaking. Those of us who can must invest on it. Put our money where our mouth is. It’s sad, but the world runs on money. Linux was successful because massive companies profited from it and needed it. If Linux relied solely on donations do you think an average person could use a Linux desktop today?

And then there are those saying “it’s stupid to start from scratch”. Jolla didn’t start from scratch. They came from Nokia and have been building SailfishOS for more than 10 years. There’s a lot of work already done to be ignored.

And on top of it, it’s not an american company. So no PRISM and other things on it. Specially with the orange king, it’s a massive plus to have software free from their system, unlike AOSP, which can just forbid their use by any country the orange king doesn’t like.

So, why is it not an option? And those currently using it, what’s your experience? Those who bought Xperia and installed on it, how did it go?

TL;DR: Sailfish wasn’t ideal before, but with google’s dick move, that will be better than not having open source apps.

A phone system will be very expensive and we must pay the entry price to support it, if that’s the reason people don’t like Jolla.

Jolla has been on the market for a while and already did a lot of work. SailfishOS is not something from scratch, if that’s the reason.

Anyone using it currently, how has the experience been for you?

EDIT: I forgot to mention. Bank apps, Facebook stuff and other massive companies apps probably won’t work on Linux, nor degoogled phones, and never will. They are allergic to freedom and if you need them, an alternative OS is not for you. Just like Adobe never worked on Linux and probably never will. It’s not profitable enough. If that’s what you need, just accept google decisions because you don’t have a choice. This post is not for that audience.

Links from A_norny_mousse that I missed:

https://sailfishos.org/
company: https://jolla.com/
download: https://shop.jolla.com/ => Get free trial (yes it requires an account, but there’s no timebomb in the trial)
docs: https://docs.sailfishos.org/ (thanks to the community!)
forums: https://forum.sailfishos.org/
  • nomad@infosec.pub
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    13 days ago

    Requiring payment excludes those that require the software most but can’t afford it. Ideally there should be some kind of sponsorship system where people that can afford it buy an additional free license for other users. Software scales extremely well, so the cost should be negligible.

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      13 days ago

      That’s a good point. But until it becomes like desktop Linux they will need money, lots of it. Without it it won’t be an option for people, rich or poor.

      But I can’t imagine a company, no matter how nice, that will lower the prices once it doesn’t need it anymore. So yeah, you raise a good issue. I don’t know the solution. Your suggestion is a good one, though unlikely to work for the same reason. Most people are not that nice.