• MithranArkanere@lemmy.world
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    We just need AI that develops empathy first, then gets intelligent enough to patronize humans rather than disdain them.

    Once humans are treated like fumbling toddlers by AI, humanity ends up in The Culture.

    You commit a crime? You get a chaperone bot following you around and keeping you from doing it again.

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      I hope that the Robot Overlords keep humans like humans keep cats.

      • Free food? Okay!
      • Keep me inside to stop me from destroying native species? Reasonable
      • Free vasectomy to avoid a large stray population? Good idea.
      • Occasional playtime enrichment via drugs? Catnip me up!
      • Why yes I would love tummy rubs!
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      You commit a crime? You get a chaperone bot following you around and keeping you from doing it again.

      😍

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      You know what I hope that AI doesn’t have to feel the pain of having empathy. Like ik it’s necessary for growth and society, but it hurts too.

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    It’s always some asshole that read “The Prince” and loves Thomas Hobbes.

    This system is flawed “on paper” because they inact something they… read on paper. It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy. I don’t even want to call them nihilistic because nihilism implies a certain level of self awareness and possible kindness.

    I’m genuinely afraid of the amount of machiavellianism that is coming in the US. I’m terrified by the prospect of “effective” politics. It’s an undeniable future. What do you do when your adversary is also your neighbor, who won’t stop shilling for conman?

    Edit: That was a tangent. My bad.

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      Usually when people say this they’re comparing, for example, cuba, to a world economic super power like the US.

      This is often done instead of comparing the country before socialism and after. Although I think the police states of communist nations are distasteful (I understand why they do them, it’s because the CIA essentially gives them no choice), I think the economic arguments are completely invalid. Some of the fastest growing economies of all time are the soviet union and china. They just keep getting compared to literally the richest country in the world, even though they were some of the poorest before reform began.

      If they just had a more solid human rights record, which is independent of a communist economy, I don’t think there’d be any argument to be made.

      However, the places with the worlds worst human rights records are nearly all capitalist. So, it’s still hard to say.

      That’s not to mention cuba in particular has been sanctioned to near-death, which again has nothing to do with their economic policy and everything to do with the US trying to control the world.

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        Comparing countries before and after ignores the effects of technological development. Most countries, excepting those subject to war, crippling sanctions, or other calamities, have experienced improvements in living standards over time.

        Looking across all nations, my sense is that the difference between these different economic systems is not particularly obvious at a glance. However, I would love to see a more rigorous analysis along these lines if anyone has one.

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          Comparing countries before and after ignores the effects of technological development.

          Yes, but technological development is usually global, and thus is much easier to exclude from the analysis than being a completely different country with completely different circumstances. Comparing the US to cuba is bafflingly insane, nothing about their circumstances are similar. It is not fair to expect them to be competitive with eachother on any front.

          Looking across all nations, my sense is that the difference between these different economic systems is not particularly obvious at a glance. However, I would love to see a more rigorous analysis along these lines if anyone has one.

          The last time something like china happened where one of the poorest countries in the world became a superpower was the soviet union, the time before that… it never happened before that.

          The closest thing to something like that is the US itself, historically.

          Marxist leninism has been an undeniable economic success. It’s human rights where things get fucked, and even then, often lessso than in capitalist nations, but human rights are separate to economic policy.

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            Being a superpower isn’t the same as improving the well-being of your citizens. And I personally don’t agree that China is a superpower yet, though they are obviously moving in that direction.

            But even if that was true and valid I would like to see a rigorous and complete analysis, not anecdotes. Surely someone has done something like this.

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        Although I think the police states of communist nations are distasteful (I understand why they do them, it’s because the CIA essentially gives them no choice)

        This is touching on something I’ve been thinking about for a while.

        How the fuck does one secure a brand new nation when established super powers wish to see it destroyed. How do you do that without sacrificing rights?

        The answer unfortunately is that you can’t. The preexisting super powers need to die.