I made a post about the Europeans who are being deported from Germany for being anti-genocide. https://lemmy.ml/post/28407953

A user repeated the now many times debunked lie that these victims facing deportation were “violent racist rioters”. Blatant German propaganda, made up to smear opposition to the genocide in Palestine. Which Germany supplies 30% of the weapons for.

After calling them, and a few other users out for repeating the same lie, the moderators banned me.

  • SomeLemmyUser@discuss.tchncs.de
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    C’mon, you seem like someone arguing for something you really believe in.

    I literally said I am supporting the protests by going there.

    You use quotation marks as if you were quoting something I said, which I clearly didn’t.

    Why this strawman?

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      Supporting Palestine means supporting Palestine. Not this wishy washy both sides BS.

      If you do not support Palestinians fighting back against their colonial genocidal oppressors then you do not support them. Especially when you go around denouncing people online for it.

      Hamas exists because Palestinians have exhausted every other possible peaceful method of resistance. Even Hamas did a peaceful march in 2017 and Israel shot medical workers there.

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        There is a difference in supporting the fight for freedom and supporting everything an organization stands for.

        I think its good the USA fought the Nazis in WW2 - doesn’t mean I can’t criticize their capitalist imperialistic view of the world.

        I think its good Palestinians fight oppressive Israel, doesn’t mean I can’t criticize hamas fundamentalist religious view of the world.

        I think its good USA fought facist Japan in ww2, doesn’t mean I can’t criticize them for the means by which they did it, like dropping nuclear bombs mainly killing civilians

        I think its good Palestinians fight against facist Israel, doesn’t mean I can’t criticize them for the means by which they do it, like shooting down a music festival, mainly killing civilians.

        Having the luxus/privilege of not being involved directly in the matter means you have the duty to criticize warcrimes not because of who commits them, but because they are warcrimes.

        Having ethics means you make arguments based on actions, not by who does the actions (argumentum at hominem)

        This does not amount to “wishy washy both sides” (false balance). One side is clearly worse, one side is clearly the systematic oppressor, one side is clearly more to blame. This just doesn’t mean the other side can’t be criticized at all, and clearly not “anyone measuring both by the same standards is a Nazi”

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          The word “support” does not mean “agree with all their stances”. Step one is Palestinian liberation. After that comes the rest

          Hamas committed a targeted raid against Israeli military bases.

          The music festival meme is ridiculous because many murdered there were killed by Israeli apache helicopters as can be seen from the cars with holes in their roofs.

          And it was not the target. It was not even supposed to be there. There was armed soldiers in the festival as well. And many there were active IDF members as it was next to a military base.

          One side is clearly worse, one side is clearly the systematic oppressor, one side is clearly more to blame. This just doesn’t mean the other side can’t be criticized at all, and clearly not “anyone measuring both by the same standards is a Nazi”

          The German government is sending weapons to a colonial Apartheid starving 2 million people in a concentration camp. You should learn what the Holocaust was about.

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            Arguing that okt 7 didn’t target civilians?

            Making up another strawman by arguing against the German government which I alread y said I criticize as if it were my position?

            I retract my point that you seem to argue for something you believe in…

            Have a nice day sir

            P.S: the holocaust was about a deeply rooted antisemitism and an ideology making Jews the scapegoat for all problems in facist Germany, taking their property to give it to loyal Nazis while proclaiming the terrorising and killing of said scapegoats, the internal enemy, would benefit society. It was neither about invading a Jewish country to make territorial gains nor about ending a Jewish liberation movement.

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              No with 33% military casualty rate, more than 95% counting IDF reservists, and less than 3% child casualties, Hamas target was clearly not civilians. If you want to know what targeting civilians looks like, look at Israel and the German government supporting them.

              And you miss info about the Holocaust because Nazi Germans did kick out Jews from Poland and occupied their homes.

              You are in luck. Here’s an Israeli to teach you about October 7, The Holocaust and the Warsaw Ghetto uprising all at once: https://youtu.be/Pt_1k7nSv1M