I would argue that these are not mutually exclusive, and the west is rebuilding for total war BECAUSE it’s collapsing, but a very interesting discussion nevertheless.

Also as an aside, I love how bro is just fascinated by this woman’s research. His pupils are properly dilated the whole ass time.

EDIT: Also I just want to point out the extremely obvious that 100% of what NATO is saying about their adversaries being brutish and only understand violence etc etc is pure projection projection as always

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    the west has been ostensibly trying to rebuild its artillery shell manufacturing capability since the SMO started. how’s that going?

    i’m sure we’ll see similar success with all the other weapons

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          Okay so America will have WW2 style flak guns while China has modern drones? I’ll take that bet.

          Actually I bet we can’t even make artillery guns anymore. Bethlehem Steel was pretty crucial I think.

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                and also, in peer wars, complicated, expensive, slow to build stuff tends to get its shit kicked in by cheap disposable stuff you can manufacture in vast quantities. like drones and artillery shells.

                the americans used to have some awareness of this back when they were building for ww2. then they paperclipp’d a bunch of nazis and caught their idiot disease. or something, i dunno.

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                  The funny thing is I subconsciously learned this as a kid many years ago from playing real time strategy video games. A few dozen expensive units are more powerful and look intimidating but can eventually be beaten by hundreds of cheaper units, especially when your opponent runs out of resources to keep producing those expensive units. War economy is everything.

                  Also adaptability. Making sure you have a counter/ can quickly counter every unit the enemy can throw at you. In real world present day warfare, the US Air Force is the hardest thing to counter which is why nobody outside of Russia, China, and the brave as f Houthis would ever directly engage the US militarily.

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                  TBH, the primary reason Nazis built few expensive tanks instead of mass-produced ones was that they simply didn’t have enough oil even for their few tanks, and numerous tanks would be simply useless without fuel.

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          antimony’s not a rare earth but China is over half of global production and Russia and Tajikistan are most of the rest

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    EU might as well be finished, if it attempts Military Keynesianism. It goes against the interest of both USA, who doesn’t want EU to be independent and wants to use it for their own gains, and the rest of the world, which doesn’t wanna get bombed. They are delusional if they think they can pull it off, in the state they’re in.

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    I would argue that these are not mutually exclusive, and the west is rebuilding for total war BECAUSE it’s collapsing

    Kinda how I’ve looked at it the last few years. I don’t even know if I want to admit it here as it’s fairly conspiratorial, but deep down, I think they found out what it costs to plot the course through the coming catastrophes and they realized the only way we survive is by dismantling capitalism - the pyramid they sit atop. However, this does not work for them. Through war and the deaths of millions or even billions they will seek to maintain their power and position . It’s how they can “ride it out” when in reality it’s “rule the ashes.”