Well they could’ve arrested the bastard in January 2021 instead of waiting a couple years to even start considering legal consequences. 5 minutes after the inauguration Trump should’ve had a black bag over his head. No excuses for their inaction.
The Democrats aren’t the party perpetrating this evil, but they’ve done everything in their power to enable it, thus they share responsibility.
No, you see, they allowed foreign brown people to die on their watch, which is obviously worse than checks notes deporting local brown people with the intent to harm as well?
/s, just in case someone finds this comment a year later.
They made the economy bad by spending too much money toward Ukraine.
… or something.
Anyway, time to occupy Gaza, invade Panama, buyout Greenland, maybe invade Canada, ramp up strikes on the Houthis, and leak the group chat planning said strikes…
oh, and goad China into an an unprecedented trade war, as they are doing full scale drills/mock invasions of Taiwan.
But its fine because Trump will end the Ukraine war on day one and is therefore the peace candidate.
… I swear to god I’d have to be beaten in the head with hammers and develop CTE to be operating on the same mental wavelength as Trump scrotum suckers.
Imagine holding onto this. Yes, this wouldn’t be happening under a democratic regime. But surely you recognize they are making just as much money here, right??? Schumer bitched out for a reason. As long as they get paid, the status quo continues.
If they held an actual primary, where voters could democratically choose their candidate, then neither of them would have made it to the election and we could have enthusiastically voted in a better leader.
Instead, we were told to accept the chosen corporate shill or face the annihilation of our system of government. At this point many voters just gave up, and it showed with lower turnout for both parties compared to the previous election.
Democrats, especially Biden and Kamala, failed by not ensuring the bare minimum of democracy was preserved for this election.
It’s not their fault, but they definitely chose to prioritize supporting a genocide above pleasing their most fervent base.
They had polling data for months showing the impopularity of it and the low polling numbers. We all saw the polling data.
They broke what many considered to be an election promise in 2020 that Biden would be a one term. And they robbed their voters of an open primary, most likely because they knew a progressive populist would easily beat Harris. Harris has never appealed to a broad audience.
But even so, Harris got an enormous boost when she replaced Biden. All she had to do was distance herself from his unpopular positions. She should have criticized Biden on inflation and working class income stagnation. She should have let a Palestinian talk at the DNC. She should have met Arab Americans in Dearborn. And she should have voiced criticism on Netanyahu to get the hostages home and stop the killing. Heck, even Biden had more class when handling upset protestors.
But she dropped the ball on all those important issues.
It’s political incompetence and a sell-out to corporate interests.
I’m sure that someone more savvy like Pete Buttigieg would have easily beaten Trump.
But still, it’s not their fault. Everything Trump is doing is his fault.
Not sure I still understand the reasoning that some how wants to allow the non-voters to not own up to their mistake. If both parties were the same on the same issue of Palestine then that’s an issue that cancels each other out, I am not saying this is not atrocious from both parties because it is. But the rest of Pro’s should have been more then enough to warrant an effort from the non-voters to make an effort to save their democracy, rights and freedom.
I have seen it time and time again after the election, “iT’s tHe MeSsAgInG”. If sound reasoning and logic was applied the red flags were very loud from the Trump camp that what he is visiting upon the US is what was going to be expected if he won. So no, I will always tell those non-voters that their inaction is what helped cause all of this and by a large factor.
It’s exasperating to have both: a) warned, extensively and explicitly, with detailed analysis and specific examples—not just months, but years in advance—that the Democrats’ 2024 strategy was failing; and b) to have to keep explaining, over and over, to people who think they understand how things ‘should’ have gone, that Democrats did campaign exactly as they claim—and lost dramatically as a result.
Look you caught the bull by its horns, but I want you to bear with me. You think “some thing” about electoralism; and its one that wasn’t borne out by reality.
Is it the thing which is wrong or you and your thinking? You wanted the election, the electorate, electoralism itself, to be something other than what it was: If you (and Democrats in general) keep approaching elections in this manner, we will never win another election.
You can either meet the moment and find voters where they are at, hear their issues, address them or say how you’ll address them, and ask them to join your cause, or you can continue to tell them that they are wrong for what they think and do, and they better vote for you or else they’ll get the fascist.
Which do you think grows a base and which one shrinks a base?
I still fail how this lesson is not something that the voter base themselves need to learn as well. Again I feel that the retrospective is being pushed to much on to the Democratic party and not the non-voters themselves. I mean the difference between the Democratic and Trump campaign was not just a slight difference of policies. We are talking the Trump campaign was loud and proud with their racist and fascists remarks.
If the Trump campaign was better and louder at the messagng then why was his messaging in of itself not enough to motivate the voters?
The two biggest issues for non-voters was 1) Gerrymandering (they felt their vote did not matter), 2) Kamala was not compelling enough with a side note of Palestine also being part of this.
Both of which the Republicans are for point 1) to blame and for point 2) way worse with Palestine being equal on.
But sure I guess blame the Democratic party because they did not nail it 100% while the other guy was like Hitler lite throughout his campaign. If the non-voters do not have the balls to own up to their play in this then you lessons have not been learnt and there is a good probability it will be repeated. Provided of course you get a chance at another fair election.
I guess you just want to keep not getting it then. Cus what you are doing, how you are thinking, acting, talking: Its why we lost the election.
You don’t get it. But you also don’t want to get it. You want to be “right” but your approach to politics has lost the popular cause of the people, and just, objectively loses elections.
You can either “be right”, on your own terms, or you can win elections. You can’t have both.
Here is the biggest hint of your lifetime: Democrats losing elections has nothing to do with Republicans.
I still fail to see your point tbh, thank you for sharing it though. I do always enjoy trying to change my perspective. For me though it just feels as if the non voters are essentially passing the blame on and not taking accountability for the shit show they find themselves in now.
Maybe just try and appreciate the deep cynicism of your perspective.
In the same way you are trying to blame non-voters for having nothing to vote for, you are not taking accountability for the shit show we find ourselves in.
Think about your rhetoric: Whose mind is changed because of how you think, and then you expressing it?
How many people did you (or the Democrats for that matter) convince with this perspective?
Republican bad; voters should [<be>, <do>, <think>] xyz: That’s not at how elections, electoralism, or voters work.
You just simply have to come to terms with that. How you think the world works in regards to electoralism; its not how it works, and that not working was put on extreme display in November.
Do you want to win elections or not? Thats the first question to answer. Then, if you say “yes” to that first question, you then have to come to terms with the fact that your perspective, the dominant, mainstream, corporate Democrat perspective: it loses elections. It doesn’t work.
Remind me how this is Biden’s and Kamala’s fault again?
Well they could’ve arrested the bastard in January 2021 instead of waiting a couple years to even start considering legal consequences. 5 minutes after the inauguration Trump should’ve had a black bag over his head. No excuses for their inaction.
The Democrats aren’t the party perpetrating this evil, but they’ve done everything in their power to enable it, thus they share responsibility.
Something, something, genocide I assume.
No, you see, they allowed foreign brown people to die on their watch, which is obviously worse than checks notes deporting local brown people with the intent to harm as well?
/s, just in case someone finds this comment a year later.
They made the economy bad by spending too much money toward Ukraine.
… or something.
Anyway, time to occupy Gaza, invade Panama, buyout Greenland, maybe invade Canada, ramp up strikes on the Houthis, and leak the group chat planning said strikes…
oh, and goad China into an an unprecedented trade war, as they are doing full scale drills/mock invasions of Taiwan.
But its fine because Trump will end the Ukraine war on day one and is therefore the peace candidate.
… I swear to god I’d have to be beaten in the head with hammers and develop CTE to be operating on the same mental wavelength as Trump scrotum suckers.
Because their ignorant dolts will believe it.
Imagine holding onto this. Yes, this wouldn’t be happening under a democratic regime. But surely you recognize they are making just as much money here, right??? Schumer bitched out for a reason. As long as they get paid, the status quo continues.
If they held an actual primary, where voters could democratically choose their candidate, then neither of them would have made it to the election and we could have enthusiastically voted in a better leader.
Instead, we were told to accept the chosen corporate shill or face the annihilation of our system of government. At this point many voters just gave up, and it showed with lower turnout for both parties compared to the previous election.
Democrats, especially Biden and Kamala, failed by not ensuring the bare minimum of democracy was preserved for this election.
It’s not their fault, but they definitely chose to prioritize supporting a genocide above pleasing their most fervent base.
They had polling data for months showing the impopularity of it and the low polling numbers. We all saw the polling data.
They broke what many considered to be an election promise in 2020 that Biden would be a one term. And they robbed their voters of an open primary, most likely because they knew a progressive populist would easily beat Harris. Harris has never appealed to a broad audience.
But even so, Harris got an enormous boost when she replaced Biden. All she had to do was distance herself from his unpopular positions. She should have criticized Biden on inflation and working class income stagnation. She should have let a Palestinian talk at the DNC. She should have met Arab Americans in Dearborn. And she should have voiced criticism on Netanyahu to get the hostages home and stop the killing. Heck, even Biden had more class when handling upset protestors.
But she dropped the ball on all those important issues.
It’s political incompetence and a sell-out to corporate interests.
I’m sure that someone more savvy like Pete Buttigieg would have easily beaten Trump.
But still, it’s not their fault. Everything Trump is doing is his fault.
You analysis is spot on.
Harris threw away an easy layup. Trump was as unpopular as Biden when Biden dropped out.
And the Democratic machine couldnt make a W happen because they are owned by AIPAC. They would have had to call the genocide for what it was.
Not sure I still understand the reasoning that some how wants to allow the non-voters to not own up to their mistake. If both parties were the same on the same issue of Palestine then that’s an issue that cancels each other out, I am not saying this is not atrocious from both parties because it is. But the rest of Pro’s should have been more then enough to warrant an effort from the non-voters to make an effort to save their democracy, rights and freedom.
I have seen it time and time again after the election, “iT’s tHe MeSsAgInG”. If sound reasoning and logic was applied the red flags were very loud from the Trump camp that what he is visiting upon the US is what was going to be expected if he won. So no, I will always tell those non-voters that their inaction is what helped cause all of this and by a large factor.
I don’t think Gaza issue was the deciding factor in the election, it’s all the other stuff she should focus on.
I would agree it wa not the only thing but it was definitely one of the prominent ones.
It’s exasperating to have both: a) warned, extensively and explicitly, with detailed analysis and specific examples—not just months, but years in advance—that the Democrats’ 2024 strategy was failing; and b) to have to keep explaining, over and over, to people who think they understand how things ‘should’ have gone, that Democrats did campaign exactly as they claim—and lost dramatically as a result.
Look you caught the bull by its horns, but I want you to bear with me. You think “some thing” about electoralism; and its one that wasn’t borne out by reality.
Is it the thing which is wrong or you and your thinking? You wanted the election, the electorate, electoralism itself, to be something other than what it was: If you (and Democrats in general) keep approaching elections in this manner, we will never win another election.
You can either meet the moment and find voters where they are at, hear their issues, address them or say how you’ll address them, and ask them to join your cause, or you can continue to tell them that they are wrong for what they think and do, and they better vote for you or else they’ll get the fascist.
Which do you think grows a base and which one shrinks a base?
I still fail how this lesson is not something that the voter base themselves need to learn as well. Again I feel that the retrospective is being pushed to much on to the Democratic party and not the non-voters themselves. I mean the difference between the Democratic and Trump campaign was not just a slight difference of policies. We are talking the Trump campaign was loud and proud with their racist and fascists remarks.
If the Trump campaign was better and louder at the messagng then why was his messaging in of itself not enough to motivate the voters?
The two biggest issues for non-voters was 1) Gerrymandering (they felt their vote did not matter), 2) Kamala was not compelling enough with a side note of Palestine also being part of this.
Both of which the Republicans are for point 1) to blame and for point 2) way worse with Palestine being equal on.
But sure I guess blame the Democratic party because they did not nail it 100% while the other guy was like Hitler lite throughout his campaign. If the non-voters do not have the balls to own up to their play in this then you lessons have not been learnt and there is a good probability it will be repeated. Provided of course you get a chance at another fair election.
I guess you just want to keep not getting it then. Cus what you are doing, how you are thinking, acting, talking: Its why we lost the election.
You don’t get it. But you also don’t want to get it. You want to be “right” but your approach to politics has lost the popular cause of the people, and just, objectively loses elections.
You can either “be right”, on your own terms, or you can win elections. You can’t have both.
Here is the biggest hint of your lifetime: Democrats losing elections has nothing to do with Republicans.
I still fail to see your point tbh, thank you for sharing it though. I do always enjoy trying to change my perspective. For me though it just feels as if the non voters are essentially passing the blame on and not taking accountability for the shit show they find themselves in now.
Maybe just try and appreciate the deep cynicism of your perspective.
In the same way you are trying to blame non-voters for having nothing to vote for, you are not taking accountability for the shit show we find ourselves in.
Think about your rhetoric: Whose mind is changed because of how you think, and then you expressing it?
How many people did you (or the Democrats for that matter) convince with this perspective?
Republican bad; voters should [<be>, <do>, <think>] xyz: That’s not at how elections, electoralism, or voters work.
You just simply have to come to terms with that. How you think the world works in regards to electoralism; its not how it works, and that not working was put on extreme display in November.
Do you want to win elections or not? Thats the first question to answer. Then, if you say “yes” to that first question, you then have to come to terms with the fact that your perspective, the dominant, mainstream, corporate Democrat perspective: it loses elections. It doesn’t work.
This one isn’t. This one is Obama’s. Lol