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My favorite this was watching all the people claim “It was a Roman salute! It means he is giving his heart to the people!” Motherfucker the Roman salute is the Nazi salute. They are the same thing. The Romans used it, then the Italian Fascist party used it and Hitler adopted it in Germany and called it the Sieg Heil.
The Romans didn’t even use it. It’s from a French painting of Rome that became popular after the revolution. It existed for barely a hundred years, and was hardly used by anyone, until it was adopted by fascists and Nazis.
Really could use Occam’s razor with this bullshit. If you gotta make so many assumptions, then you’re likely not on the correct path.
Elon musk is a Nazi who did a Nazi gesture. Simple as.
And even if it was the “Roman salute”, didn’t they introduce the fasces? Isn’t it just a symbol for “power”? Although I read, that it initially should signal “unity and harmony”. Hmm, lost in translation
It’s absolutely a Nazi salute. I’m about 90% sure he did it the way he did just to stir the shit because he’s an attention seeking asshole wanting to be the main character. Only 10% remaining because he doesn’t think he’s a Nazi despite sharing a shitload of their fascist traits.
He did it twice very emphatically with anger in his face. He did it as an act of defiance. The only way it makes sense is if he was using it as his public declaration that he was with the nazis.
Oh he was definitely declaring a side.
I have no strong opinion on whether this was or was not intended to be a nazi salute. The bigger issue in my opinion is how Musk reacted to people asking him to confirm that it was not intended to be a nazi salute. Deflection, jokes, ridicule, and tacit approval. All served to bolster the white supremacists watching – and this, for sure, was intended.
That is why I love wikipedia, this will be there forever (or atleast in the hard drives of people who backed it up). Not the sort of stuff you can find it in government backed projects. Happy to be an annual donator.
¡Yo tambien! Also I paid for WinRAR. It’s not much, but it does make me feel a little better about myself.
The salute is just one piece of the story. Musk is actively supporting right wing fascist and white supremacy groups in UK and Germany with funding. His activity on social media is just as bad.
Even if he didn’t obviously do Fascist salutes while high on ketamine, he has a deeper troubling history.
Elon Musk’s NAZI salute. There is no controversy
The salute done by the Nazi? The nazi Elon Musk? By Elon Musk the Nazzzzi? Nah he was just saluting his Nazi friends, he’s not a Nazi himself
In my opinion, Musk does not consider himself a Nazi, despite his involvement in far right causes and patent racism.
I think he just can’t stand the idea of a world where other people can tell him what he can and can’t do. This was him going out there to show the world, “I can do whatever I want” with the most extreme example he could come up with. The “lol you call everyone a Nazi” trolling afterwards was icing on the cake for him.
I say this not to excuse or condone this in any way. It clearly was 100% intended as a Nazi salute.
He’s a pathetic creep whose mental development stopped in adolescence. See also: Stephen Miller.
The distinction between ideological Nazis vs capitalists who are going with it for money is a pointless one; do you know what we call people who supported Hitler for business reasons?
We call them Nazis.
similarly, I don’t think he is a nazi in the sense that he believes in the same things and means it; I think he’s a nazi because he supports nazi ideology and verified nazi people, and he’s just shitty to everybody of a different class regardless of race
He actively supports all the big nazi “causes” you can think of, and is a privileged white man from south africa, whose companies have been sued an abnormal amount of times for racial discrimination, and who constantly talks about white replacement theory while artificially having as many white children as possible, and you don’t think he’s a nazi???
People really do be giving rich people every conceivable benefit of the doubt in existence. Holy fuck.
IDK if you surround yourself with nazis, use your wealth and influence to further their power, and then do a fucking nazi salute I’m not sure what to call you but a nazi.
Maybe not an “ideological” nazi, but he’s definitely in the party…
It feels so weird to call this controversial. Doesn’t that usually mean something similar to “polarising”? Who are on the poles here? Nazis, and the rest of the world?
From the wiki entry, “…interpreted by many as a Nazi or fascist” salute. It’s like, yeah I guess it was interpreted by many that way, in the same way many people interpret water to be wet.
Why are the writers of this wiki entry giving so much wiggle room for Nazis? What the fuck?
It’s “controversial” because Nazism has somehow became acceptable to a considerable chunk of the population, who publicly deny it, thus creating “controversy”.
America never dealt with its racism problem.
Nazis…
It’s been so long since people killed Nazis. We forgot that Nazis exist. Same problem we’re having with vaccines. We prefer to learn the hard way…
As far as I understand, yes.
'Murica.
Because Wikipedia is “leftist propaganda”, and they’ll be sued for libel the moment they declare him a Nazi.
lol
it’s regime propaganda, always was
its because trump/maga do shit like this and constantly deny and pretend its a misunderstanding. Its like the guy with a schwastika in the red lines of the american flag he had in the background and the immediate response was it was the software doing it on video but the flag looked normal in person. Which was shown to be bs in like 5 seconds because the guy had hung up a flag given to him that walked around and offered them to all the offices in the building.
He was throwing his heart out to the Nazis.
I painted this about it
Great work!
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What’s the controversy? The man’s entire body of work is authoritarian to the core. Are we debating whether this was a nazi salute or an awkward attempt at a nazi salute? Who cares about the gesture, look where he invested his money, what he says on a daily basis. Is there anyone who doesn’t recognize the fascism? If you don’t recognize it, I got news for you…
Oh yes, the Terran Empire salute.
Imagine STILL thinking this is a “controversy”.
Propaganda has poisoned people’s minds and I’m afraid it’s permanent.
Was this not controversial??
Lenz Jacobsen wrote in Die Zeit: “Someone who, on a political stage during a political speech in front of a partly far-right audience swings their right arm upwards diagonally multiple times, is giving the Nazi salute. There’s no need for ‘alleged’ or ‘similar’ or ‘disputed’.”[72] Timo Feldhaus wrote in the Berliner Zeitung: “That Elon Musk carefully considered his energetically performed signal, is safe to assume. Even a man as oblivious to history as he is knows what he’s doing in this situation.”[73]
No confusion as to what it really was.
The media defers to billionaires because it’s owned by them. That’s an even less controversial statement.
Even a man as oblivious to history as he is
‘Americans Don’t Know History smdh’
To quote someone from that comment section:
Autistic enough to not know the 90 year old history of the Nazi salute but not so autistic to not know about the 2000 year old Roman salute.
The “Roman salute” isn’t real, it’s from a movie. The fascists - who believed the Roman salute was a real thing because they lack critical thinking - copied it. It is 90 years old, not 2000.
Oh, you mean exactly like said in the linked clip? Yeah thanks for your input.
The clip you linked to didn’t clarify any of that… he just said it was something “no one’s ever done or heard of.” But it has been done - first by some movie stars in a film about Rome and then by fascists. And, well, I’ve heard of it.
More USA drama! Noice. It’s clear what he did, there is no controversy.
You fool yourself.Not just USA drama. He’s been involving himself in global politics.
This is like reading a drunken attempt at a haiku or something
Please correct me, but as far as I know, Elon Musk has never explicitly denied that it was a Nazi salute. He never said the words “it was not” or anything similar. He has called accusers ridiculous, talked about a gesture being meaningless, and made Holocaust jokes.
He said it was “my heart goes out to you”, probably referring to nazis
He also thanked the ADL for saying it wasn’t. Whatever that means.
After he did it. Yeah. As if.
And weeks later Steve Bannon made obvious salutes.
