If only Democrats had the stones to do this.
They need to stop using fixed values and switch to a calculation based on GDP, cost of living, inflation, and other such factors. If you do that you don’t need to keep fighting to increase it.
By 2030, $17 will be the equivalent of $5/hr. Can we just skip the bullshit and tie minimum wage to 2xSGA@40hr/wk? Right now that’d be about $18.70
What is SGA?
Substantial Gainful Activity. It’s a metric used in the US which is adjusted each year. Currently it’s $1620/mo.
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander the Canadian basketball point guard, obviously
Screen Guild… Actors
NO!! Not a number! Tie it to inflation, as a proportion!! Picking a specific number is what got us in this mess in the first place
If you look at the timeline in the article, post-2030 the act states that it would be indexed.
That would have made a much better headline
I’m sadly starting to think Bernie is a Neoliberal in disguise
everyone is a neoliberal except me
He’s going to tell us to vote for another Neoliberal after drumming up all this support.
Watch.
And if he does? Preferring a neoliberal to a fascist does not make one a neoliberal, especially if a neoliberal has a better shot at preventing a fascist from gaining office than a leftist. Bernie is a social democrat and a pragmatist, and if that’s not left enough for you than say that, but don’t get your ideologies confused.
Everyone has already forgotten what happened when the DNC used Bernie to try to bait and switch his voters for Hilary. We might be cooked if everyone has already forgotten this strategy doesn’t work.
The DNC Neoliberals also funded fringe right wing campaigns to give themselves easy competition, and instead lost to them. Making them partially responsible for Trump ever gaining power, they paved the road every step of the way through fucking insane excuses that limp fuck neolibs just keep lapping up like dogs.
I personally can’t ever vote for another Republican or Democrat again, MAYBE if an actual leftist is the democratic canidate. But IMO the only way to free ourselves is to end the Duopoly forever, there’s no baby in that bathwater.
without looking it up what is neoliberalism and how is it different from social democracy or, indeed, liberalism?
Neoliberals are people pretending to be leftists that suck rich cock instead of representing the majority of their electorate.
And that neo-liberal will be the only option that has a snowball’s chance to beat Republicans.
Sanders isn’t so starry-eyed as to undermine better in the pursuit of perfect.
He’s been doing this a LOT longer than you.
Just like the time that worked in 2016 right?
We’re cooked lol
We may be, but he’s still doing the smart thing instead of pushing for the impossible while allowing the terrible, because you don’t like the better.
pushing for the impossible
You mean the bare minimum functions of a democratic society, yeah that’s pretry easy and most of europe already figured this out.
while allowing the terrible.
You are a dumb person for being fooled into accepting this.
Ah, the Left. Always eating itself.
Sweet. $17/hr * 40 = $680 a week * 4 = $2720 a month * 52 = $32640 all before tax. Still not enough to live on.
Yeah, the “$15 an hour” debate has been going on for so long that the number has realistically increased to ~$23 per hour. And if a $23/hr minimum wage makes you balk, maybe you should consider how little you’re being paid for the job you currently do.
And in five years, it’ll seem like even less.
It’ll need to be $400 by 2030 to keep up with Trumpflation.
It already realistically needs to be between 25-30 an hr to even be considered a living wage.
Too bad too many don’t consider minimum wage as something that should be a living wage
Yea, those people should be
re-educated.We call those people “all republicans and always just enough democrats.”
Then we make two wages, one we call minimum, the other we call living. That way it’s easy to know if a place is offering a living wage or if it’s just unimportant work.
The only problem with that is there’s so much work people consider unimportant that is absolutely vital, just not what people want to do.
Like fast food workers during school hours
I agree with you, the “unimportant” part was tongue in cheek. My point really is that if a person wants a job done for money, they need to either pay a living wage or admit that the work isn’t important enough to pay for. There shouldn’t be an in-between for people to take advantage of.
Then we make two wages, one we call minimum, the other we call living.
That way we can tell the difference between the morlocks and the eloi.
lol right now we do have two wages. The minimum wage… and the subminimum wage. Yes, that is a real thing! 2.13$ an hour if you make more than 30$ in tips a month.
Not fast enough not soon enough.
Depends where you live. This means nothing in California. This is an extreme change in Georgia.
Should read “benefiting all Americans”
How this would help Chileans?
Hurr hurrrr
Is this a joke…?
Even terrorist organizations have higher minimum wage than the USA.
US dollar is valueless pay us in euros.
If you really believe the USD is valueless, give me all your USD.
No
Yeah, that’s what I thought…
What Bernie 17 by 2030? Is fucking for real? Needs 25 an hour NOW! Might well tell people to keep straving. I should kmow make 24 an hour wife makes 16 and we still live paycheck to paycheck. With no car payments just house. Shit so fucking expensive. And its only going get worse. Why not 17 an hour now and 25 by 2030?
“Fight for 15” started in 2012…
50/hr or gtfo
If it sounds crazy it’s because you’re been conditioned to believe that some jobs aren’t worth a living wage.
It’s crazy.
That means capitalism believes that people who work those jobs don’t deserve to live.
It’s a class war and they are killing us.
No my fucking problem is we started this fight in 2012 for $15 an hour. Now what 2025 and its 17 by 2030? Its fucking joke and sad that it won’t even pass. We need to be shutting this country down until our demands are met. This bill lile all the others won’t even pass the Senate.
50/hr
Cut CEO pay
Or heads.
Dealers choice.
They only mention livable wages when they are not in a position to do anything about it.
We need $25 now, not $17 in 5 years. Bernie has become a fucking joke and a shadow of who he used to be
Or how about just no wages? Kick out the capitalists stealing the profits and divide that amongst the workers.
Abolish the wage system.
he’s sponsored the raise the wage act in the last five meetings of congress
They only mention livable wages when they are not in a position to do anything about it.
In fairness, this was just as unlikely to pass under democrats.
Amazing how every time they’re powerless they wanna raise the minimum wage (to what we asked in 2012), legalize weed, codify Roe v. Wade, and this time stop Trump.
If they get a hold of Congress who much do you think they’ll go for it? Assuming we have elections again.
Trump proposes bill to make minimum tip $17.
Would be great if it works.
Unfortunately wont happen
He could just as well introduce one to raise it to $17000 and a car as bonus.
He knows it has no chance so that’s why he does it.
The sheepdog is virtue signaling again pretending to be progressive.Guy has been pretending to be progressive for like 60 years. Thats some dedication.
Or could it be that you have built a system where change isn’t really an option.
I have built nothing as a European.
And their system is indeed rigged and especially the last one with both wings of the uniparty successfully trying to keep 3rd parties of the ballot.
Bernie in his function as sheepdog is allowed and cultivated by that very system since it keeps voters from chosing actual change.
IDK where they get their news from but they keep making the same mistakes.A nice quote from Karl Marx, The Civil War in France:
*Nowhere do “politicians” form a more separate, powerful section of the nation than in North America. There, each of the two great parties which alternately succeed each other in power is itself in turn controlled by people who make a business of politics.
It is well known that the Americans have been striving for 30 years to shake off this yoke, which has become intolerable, and that in spite of all they can do they continue to sink ever deeper in this swamp of corruption.
we find here two great gangs of political speculators, who alternately take possession of the state power and exploit it by the most corrupt means and for the most corrupt ends – and the nation is powerless against these two great cartels of politicians, who are ostensibly its servants, but in reality exploit and plunder it.*
Normally, I would respond to this type of argument by explaining how the two party system is structural. But in this case, you are complaining about one of the only politicians that is not part of a political party.
You fail to see he is a freelance hired help for the dems.
Oof. So what should he be doing instead?
Go away preferably so people are not misled by this zionist faker
Thanks for getting Trump elected. Your pragmatic thinking is super helpful.
I didn’t I’m European.
And I am very pleased he’s fucking up his own country for once and making it weaker and expediating its inevitable demise.
It’s a gift to the world.What country are you from?
Belgium.
Am I getting some whataboutism now?Why do you post so much about US politics while being so ignorant about them?
Are you aware that Bernie Sanders is anti genocide and is one of the only US politicians bringing up legislation against providing Israel with weapons and denouncing the genocide there?
If there would be any US politician I would expect you to support it would be him, but you’re just talking uninformed shit. Why?
People are triggered by your statement but it’s literally true. I mean…
He voted for the 2001 AUMF in Afghanistan.
He voted for the 1988 Iraq Liberation Act.
He endorsed 2024 U.S./UK strikes on Yemen.
He supported bombing Yugoslavia in the nineties.
He backed Libya regime change.
He backed drone strikes in Somalia.
Interestingly, he always does the American thing right before backtracking. He’s the perfect example of a progressive controlled politician. I mean, we just need to take a look at him: old, frail, and weak-looking, he has never succeeded in any meaningful way.
He’s no leader and is only relevant today as a means of appeasing Trump’s opposition with gaslighting nonsense like this bill.
The US has been compromised from within, fighting against fascism alongside those who allowed it to happen is terribly stupid.
The libs are always against war…except the current one.
Whatever election as an ‘independent’, in the end he invariably endorses the awful dem candidate, not 3rd parties.
Including the ghouls Hitlery, Copmala and Genocide Joe.
