https://mander.xyz/post/42872387
I received insults
Someone even posted photos of dead bodies
These comments weren’t reviewed, but I was permanently blocked because my political stance is to hope for the reunification of my country. They said I have nothing to offer, just spreading propaganda and negativity.
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50% YDI / 50% PTB
YDI as it’s not a meme, and this is clear violation of community rules.
PTB for making up arbitrary reason for a ban.
YDI. If you’re for the reunification of your country, maybe contribute something to the discussion and don’t just post propaganda
memes? I mean whether someone is member of the United Nations doesn’t really determine their status as a souvereign country. Nor does the opinion of the CCP or USA?! So what’s the point?Only Chinese have to do this?
Everyone has to do this? I mean I’m German… The borders here have changed all the time for centuries. I don’t post offensive memes about who should be incorporated into some country… Or ejected from my country. Or whether Ukraine belongs to Russia… Or Venezuela to the USA… Or the West Banks to Israel… That’s not really funny once people die because of it.
I don’t agree with OP, but this thinking can be used to say Ireland should never get its land back from Britain.
I think someone sharing an IRA-type commentator implying support for the violent takeover of Northern Ireland would receive a similar level of contempt.
I would hope not.
‘Successful’ colonisation is still colonisation.
So you think someone supporting the hypothetical attack of people in Northern Ireland and promoting it would be a good thing?
The people of Northern Ireland are descendents of descendents of descendents. They have their own devolved government, and I expect that within some election cycles, a pro-Republican majority will hold the Stormont and be able to seriously move to a referendum. In our lifetime.
Calling for violence in light of that reality is repulsive.
I think Ireland should be reunited. Violence is not my first choice, but it is so far the only tool that has gotten us where we are today and I am not privileged enough to condone it.
So you think someone supporting the hypothetical attack of people in Northern Ireland and promoting it would be a good thing?
England has been doing this for centuries.
The people of Northern Ireland are descendents of descendents of descendents
What “people” are you talking about here? Everybody is a desendent of a descendent of a descendent… Meaningless.
If someone is a descendent of fascists and they’re still carrying that banner, then they’re still a fascist.
Your borders changed because you attacked the world. We got attacked by the world.
You openly laughed about the prospect of China invading Taiwan.
A situation that would cause millions to be killed potentially.
But can Westerners spread false information about China’s collapse and the deaths of millions of people and then ridicule it?
They can call us “West Taiwan” and then mock about KMT taking over power?
Without looking, that thread looks tongue-in-cheek. You just posted Danny Haiphong who once went to Belgium and complained about all the blue and yellow he saw, thinking it was to do with being pro-Ukraine, except it was just that cities aesthetic.
Report it if you think it’s offensive and violates the rules. That’s how moderation works here. And you’d expect more glee and negative sentiment because some countries are “underdogs” and some aren’t. That doesn’t make anything right, but that’s how it is on the internet. Just do your part and report things which you think are inappropriate… Two wrongs don’t make a right!
I did report. Only I was removed.
They can call us “West Taiwan” and then mock about KMT taking over power?
I mean, that is a funny line.
Not really beating the accusation there
I don’t think you being allowed to post political memes about other people’s lives is rooted in whether your people were attacked in history. At least not directly… And I didn’t attack nobody, so maybe I should play the victim card as well? I mean all of this is arbitrary. Why does Mongolia and everything up to Lake Baikal not belong to China? Why is Kaliningrad Russian and not Prussian? Why am I German in the first place? And why do we keep stupid little countries like Belgium or Luxembourg around? We had a lot of war and attacks happen in history of mankind…
Their borders changed after WWI when they got attacked by the world. But I see them reconquering their land in WWII is where you draw the line, so maybe you shouldn’t do that?
No, revanchists would receive the outcome no matter who they are.
The Taiwanese don’t want to be governed by the CCP.
not a political
meme.It is political, but without being a meme it’s just propaganda.
Someone even posted photos of dead bodies
Those are bicycles
They call them “corpses”, not me
100% YDI
lol fucking cry more, Taiwan doesn’t want your shit and neither does anyone here
What you posted isn’t even a meme. YDI.
So remove it for that, not ban me forever for propaganda
The China brainworms are especially pervasive
It’s not a meme, and I almost removed your [email protected] cross-post because of it. If you’re going to post something that you know will be seen as politically controversial—and in this case I’m sure you did—you should make sure not to break any of the rules, because mods will be looking for excuses to remove it.
99% of Westerners are 100000000000% sure they know what happened in Tiny Man Square and that the Chinese state suppresses the truth. The reasons for this are complex and involve propaganda (of which they’re mostly oblivious), chauvinism, racism, group conformity, and the “Anti-Kitten Burning Coalition”. Shutting you up makes them feel good about themselves, that they’re fighting repression & autocracy in the name of freedom & democracy. It’s literally drugs: an endorphin hit. Conversely, discovering the truth is an uncomfortable process. You go through a fresh batch cognitive dissonance for each layer of bullshit you peel away. Masses, Elites, and Rebels: The Theory of “Brainwashing”
Lol
I’m assuming OP is a 中国人 by the comments? 对吗？
To OP:
你在大陆吗？
这么爱国干啥，你爱国，国爱你吗？
你爱的是“国”吗？不该会是说是爱党吗？
你所谓的“统一”，不该会是让共产党统治吧？
凭什么？
“Might makes right”?
打胜仗就可统治了？
那么， 蒙古帝国呢？罗马帝国呢？
他们有权“统一”吗？
你说共和国很“民主”，你问你自己：最近什么时候有过选举？这算民主吗？
你唱“起来，不愿做奴隶的人们”
你却向党下跪？ironic
爱人民，没问题。
爱政府，有毛病。lmfao
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But using crudely crafted, vaguely defined, and offensive language doesn’t make these debates clearer or deeper.
Lemmy does have quite a lot of tankie types that cannot agree that two things can be bad at the same time (see US and Chinese imperialism).
I personally find it most frustrating how much effort they put into discouraging people from organizing in electoralism. I’ve written about it somewhat at length before, but I will try and be brief. Indeed all war is class war, and elections are still one of the many fronts in a war and it is foolish to abandon it; leaving the path open to fascists to exert even more influence. We should be forming our own third party and using it to spoil races (note that there are more elections than just presidential). In others we should be pragmatic and vote the lesser evil to give our movement space to grow and maneuver.
We could have more Mamdani or AOCs types, but we also need to support them. We complain a lot about not getting what we want out of elections, but to no surprise we make no effort to be heard officially. In a sense we are showing up to a marathon without the months of training and wondering why we don’t make it very far. Elections don’t start with checking a box at the ballot that is where they are ending. We should at least aim for local elections and try for a spoiling effect to get some of our comrades in deputy positions.
And to be clear I am not saying that elections are the only form of organizing we should be doing. Just that its an unforced error to ignore it.
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If Wikipedia is too “liberal”, most of Lemmy is, too, and especially any community on lemmy.world. Why are you even posting in a “liberal” community if you’re so completely opposed to them?
YDI. You did post propaganda.
Most of .world is indeed too liberal, yes.
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So other political ideas are not allowed on politicalmemes? That’s not open and democratic.
FYI: Lemmy isn’t a democracy. The Threadiverse is made up of different communities and they all have different rules. Whoever creates and moderates a community (or server instance) gets to choose. It’s not open nor is it a democratic process. They can do arbitrary rules. I’ve been banned for violating rules. It’s like a a party you got invited to. And the host gets to pick the theme. And we have many hosts with all the different instances and communities.
Thank you for being fair.
FYI: Lemmy isn’t a democracy.
Yes, Lemmy is pretty democratic - there is literally a “create community” button right at the top, see?
I guess what you mean is that Lemmy doesn’t do “liberal democracy” (which is just a whole lot of liberalism and very little democracy) - but democracy has never been about electoralist spectacles.
What I meant is, Lemmy isn’t governed by the people. It is governed by the admins and moderators. And well… these aren’t really appointed or elected by the users… nor can the people impeach them. And the power doesn’t even come from the people. Most they can do is come or leave. But they’re not really in control of any decisions. And I don’t think they have any rights. So I don’t think it’s any form of democracy. Sure, I can assume that role. But I don’t think this alone makes it a democracy. Most of the demos don’t do that. So their influence is limited and they have mods and admins decide for them… So It is a bit of a weird form of governing.
Okay, you’re not wrong… so I’ll modify my statement and say that Lemmy is about as democratic as social media gets at this stage - which, I’ll concede, isn’t saying much.
This is making me despondent - well, more despondent than usual.
I mean it’s only my opinion, and not super straightforward to apply these concepts. So my take on it might not be entirely right…
I’m not very disheartened. If I look at the Threadiverse, I definitely see some negative dynamics we inherited from social media. And I think the atmosphere could be better. More constructive and welcoming. Less geopolitics news articles… And it’s far too easy to write simple truths and oppose people instead of writing nuanced comments with substance to them… We’ve had instances shutting down because there was too much responsibility in one single person and they burned out. Personally - I’d like to see several things handled differently.
But there’s also a lot of fun to be had, potential… I think overall the mods and admins and developers are doing a good job. Things I deem unacceptable like hate and spam get deleted and other than that I’m relatively free to write whatever I like. The negative aspects I wrote in the previous paragraph are more concerned with the platform layout and the users anyway, and less so with the governing structure…
It’s just difficult to manage a diverse crowd of people and cater to all of them. I’m not even sure if democracy is the correct solution for that. At least how it usually works in the real world with countries. We could come up with arbitrary direct forms of governing, since this place is powered by technology and software. I mean why appoint a fixed set moderators anyway? Software could just make every user have a web of trust and everyone could decide individually whom to delegate power to. Or who or what filters their perspective. We could get rid of admin power and follow a concept that’s currently tried with Nostr which handles that part of the hierarchy very differently…
I think all of that hasn’t been fully discussed yet. And it’s difficult to come up with good solutions, because things come with downsides as well. Like fostering echo chambers which might not be great either. It’s just difficult and complex. And nothing is perfect in the real world. And so far the Fediverse is the best Fediverse we have…
The PRC isn’t open and democratic, either, so I don’t see your issue.
Can you show me an example of a pro-USA/NATO/Taiwan activist or commentators or journalist who operates openly from Beijing please?
How are LGBT rights in China too?
Pinkwashers are the lowest form of scum.
Pinkwashing what? I’m making the point that these are valid aspects to measure how free the people of a country are. In the USA and many western countries, there are journalists, activists, commentators etc who are openly pro-Beijing in their rhetoric. Are there equivalents in China who would be pro-NATO/Taiwan/USA?
Why are LGBT rights suddenly just something to ignore when it comes to this when China is bought up?
Like I said, pink washers are the lowest form of scum. You’ll be talking about Hamas “throwing gays off buildings” next.
Perception doesn’t mean anything. It depends on what the population defines as democracy, which can differ between countries due to what they’re used to and their propaganda. China does rank horribly in the democracy index.
“Perception doesn’t mean anything! Except for the perception of western neo-liberals who hate China. Obviously the people of China can’t be trusted to know their own feelings: they’re too propagandized. Instead we should trust The Economist, a nice neo-liberal and western source (which means it’s unbiased and true).”
Look, I don’t agree with the democracy index fully either. Its set of criterias isn’t entirely ideal imo.
But I intended to bring it up as a separate source from OP’s claiming something else than them, not as a source of truth.
Perception doesn’t mean anything! Except for the perception of western neo-liberals who hate China.
You clearly don’t understand my problem with the original source presented. It’s not about who was asked. The issue is that it’s entirely from asking people how they feel about their democracy. This depends on what they associate with democracy, what they believe democracy needs, and how happy they are with their representation. My primary issue with it is that you can’t compare countries when the criteria differ from country to country.
Like, this isn’t just a China thing. For example, my country has a mechanism that ensures the people are effectively the highest power in the country. Even to the point of being able to veto any law we don’t like. As a result, I actually struggle to reconcile other countries that essentially just seem to have open elective monarchies with distributed power structures as actual democracies. There’s no real rule of the people there to me. But most of the western world would disagree with me there, because they see democracy in a way less absolutist light. There’s also the matter of the US, whose democracy has always been questionable considering they only have two right wing parties and nothing else, but USians see (or saw before Trump) themselves as a role model of democracy.
The reason I brought up propaganda is because it absolutely influences perceptions. A lot of the reason why perception of democracy tanks is because you don’t feel represented. That’s a lot easier to fix if you get everyone to think the same as the party in charge. Hence the value of propaganda.
Anyway, I understand you not trusting the democracy index, but unlike the source given by OP it’s based on observations of facts, not feelings. Of course, the observers or facts could be biased, that is a valid concern. But then the counter is a Chinese facts-based source, not an opinion survey.
Look, I don’t agree with the democracy index fully either. Its set of criterias isn’t entirely ideal imo.
That a very softened way of saying that it’s blatant propaganda with zero credibility.
But I intended to bring it up as a separate source from OP’s claiming something else than them, not as a source of truth.
“You can’t trust the Chinese people themselves, because a right wing western propaganda outlet says something different!”
You clearly don’t understand my problem with the original source presented.
No, I understand it extremely well.
my country has a mechanism that ensures the people are effectively the highest power in the country.
Yeah, nothing biased about this sentence, lol. Please tell me about this perfect anarchist utopia you live in.
but USians see (or saw before Trump) themselves as a role model of democracy.
When you actually poll them, they really don’t. At best the feel that there is some platonic ideal of America that has perfect democracy, but they never think the current government lives up to it.
The reason I brought up propaganda is because it absolutely influences perceptions.
Like how you think you live in a country “that ensures the people are effectively the highest power in the country.”
but unlike the source given by OP it’s based on observations of facts, not feelings.
Bahaha. Yeah, sure mate. Unlike those irrational orientals, those perfect icons of rationality at the Economist are able to create a metric for measuring “Democracy” that it pure fact, no feelings or perceptions involved. And what do you know, it just happens to give the exact result that aligns with ideology they already held! Yes, the Chinese people may think they know what they think, but they’re too underdeveloped to know their own thoughts, we need enlightened western pundits for that.
Of course, the observers or facts could be biased, that is a valid concern.
“Could be biased”. Lol, in the sense that it’s outright propaganda where they start at the conclusion then with backwards to arrive at it, yes.
But then the counter is a Chinese facts-based source, not an opinion survey.
You do realise that opinion surveys literally are a form of “fact”, right?
