• glimse@lemmy.world
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        21 days ago

        Cigarettes look so uncool, though. Hardly a step up from vapes and they fuckin stiiiinnnnk.

        I would much rather be near someone vaping their blueberry muffin raztastic whatever than a lit cigarette

        • HollowNaught@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          20 days ago

          I mean, I hate it when I’m walking down a street and I get the stink of something sickly sweet wafting over

          I honestly put vapes in the same tier of “takes me out of the moment and ruins anything I’m enjoying then”

          • Psychadelligoat@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            01·
            20 days ago

            It’s gone in a few seconds, unlike actual cigarette smoke

            I fuckin hate cigarette smoke, vape isn’t great but it’s also not nearly as long-lasting or staining or… Really at all as bad

        • Not_mikey@slrpnk.net
          01·
          20 days ago

          If you’re used to secondhand smoke they don’t smell bad, even good because of the slight nicotine buzz, and I assume everyone in that country is used to secondhand smoke.

      • ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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        21 days ago

        Vaping is less carcinogenic than smoking by a significant degree but it is carcinogenic

        Acrolein, a carcinogen, forms in small amounts from the breakdown of glycerin during heating

        If a “dry hit” occurs the effect is worsened, acrolein forms in higher amounts, and formaldehyde (another carcinogen) can occur from the breakdown of both glycerin and propylene glycol

        Vaping still leads to inflammation and oxidative stress in the lungs and long term use will almost certainly lead to irreversible damage

        Harm reduction is important. Vaping is likely better than smoking but it is not yet clear whether that is the case. It is likely the case based on short term anecdotal data from people who have switched but this does not mean that long term use won’t create more severe lung issues over a period of 20-30 years. We don’t know.

        In the meantime for further harm reduction to reduce risk you can vape with low temperatures as this mitigates much of the carcinogen risk, you can use reusable devices and frequently change coils and ensure the coil is saturated, and you can use a liquid that is free of flavorings as these present much of the “unknown” variables.

        Or you can work to quit. It is challenging. I smoked and vaped, I know it is tremendously hard. But frankly these companies don’t deserve your money. They’re all fucking scumbags

  • idefix@sh.itjust.works
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    21 days ago

    I’m 45+ and French. This seems very misleading as smoking has been declining a lot the past couple decades.

    • slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.orgEnglish
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      21 days ago

      Did it actually? I remember going to france like twice a year like 30 years ago. And my observation was just: everyone smokes.

      When the indoor smoking ban started, i felt like people stopped. Same as over here. But now i feel like at least as many people atarted smoking again. But i haven’t really been in france again in the last 10 years.

      • nyctre@lemmy.world
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        20 days ago

        In 2022, an estimated 16.4 million people (8.4 million males and 8.0 million females) aged 15 years and older were tobacco product users in France. This positions the country as the 14th globally and the 3rd in the WHO European Region in terms of number of tobacco users.

        And as someone who works in the service business, I can confirm that there’s a decent amount of smokers.

      • Zetta@mander.xyz
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        21 days ago

        More research needs to be done, but all the evidence points to vaping being vastly safer than smoking. Of course, your lungs are meant to inhale air and nothing else, so neither is still the best option

        • neons@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          0·
          20 days ago

          Talk for yourself, but I, as a homo sapiens, evolved from a fish. So my Lungs are actually made to breathe water.

          This comment was sent from atlantis.

  • luciferofastora@feddit.org
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    20 days ago

    What the fuck is this comment section even? Is vape vs cig the new Star Trek vs Star Wars, where fans of either side congregate to tear into each other with enough vitriol to make both vape and cig look healthy in comparison?

    • Auzy@aussie.zone
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      19 days ago

      At least on Reddit, i was getting blasted because I pointed out vapers here in Australia were constantly breaking the laws and were using vaping as an excuse to vape inside “because it’s just water vapor”.

      If it’s just water vapor, then you don’t need to do it in the cabin of a train mate… or right at the entrance of the supermarket so every one needs to breathe in your smoke when they enter

      Over smokers in general. To make things worse, a lot of “free thinkers” tend to be smoking. Because nothing demonstrates your ability to think independently by being conned into using an addictive substance that harms you

        • Bogus007@lemm.ee
          1·
          19 days ago

          It increases the risk of getting cancer! Your sentence implies that you get it each time you are exposed. However, there is a subtle difference between being really attacked by a lion or being in the territory of a lion. In the first case you are highly likely done, in the second you have a chance to get out complete and healthy. And also: when and how are often two important questions.

          Why I am saying this: I knew two guys in my family, who smoked from young like chimneys. They died old (>90) and not due to lung cancer! But perhaps in their times (50-90) the cigarettes were less toxic, who knows 🤷‍♂️

      • AItoothbrush@lemmy.zipEnglish
        1·
        20 days ago

        Europe is a geological region where most countries share a lot of cultural ties with each other, including the smoking culture.

      • Steve Dice@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        01·
        20 days ago

        Are you seriously trying to argue that “europeans” isn’t a valid characterization of a group of people with some common traits, you absolute muppet?

        • diffusive@lemmy.world
          1·
          20 days ago

          As someone you would call “European” there are massive cultural, behavioural and religious differences in Europe.

          Not the differences you imagine like NJ vs California vs Texas, much more

          And you know what? It’s a good thing and nobody wants to change that. After centuries we even stopped having fun at each other.

          Diversity is scientifically and provably good for creativity that in turn is good for everything humans do

          In the case of smoking, you can go to an extreme (Berlin) where people smoke in the clubs (even if it is forbidden) to another extreme (Dublin) that is pretty much like US

          • person420@lemmynsfw.com
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            20 days ago

            While I agree with most of what you said, I think you are underestimating the huge cultural differences between NJ, CA, and TX. They very much feel like entirely different countries. Very big differences in culture, linguistics, religion, etc.

            USA -> States is very similar to EU -> member countries. I understand that within the EU, member countries have their own concept of “states” that are very similar to the US, but I don’t believe most EU countries prioritize local regions over their country as much as the US does. Keep in mind, Europe as a whole is only slightly bigger than the USA (10m sq k vs 9m sq k)

            For instance, someone from Texas self-identifies as a Texan first, and then an American second. It’s why one of the first things an American asks when meeting a new American is “where are you from”. The state they’re from will (usually but not always) tell you a lot about them, their priorities, what their culture is, etc.

            Personally I think it’s stupid (I’m not a big fan of “states rights”), but I’m very much in the minority in that.

          • HalfSalesman@lemm.eeEnglish
            01·
            20 days ago

            Not the differences you imagine like NJ vs California vs Texas, much more

            Dude, Texans fucking hate Californians and and East Coasters.

            They share the same citizenship and language but they almost certainly hate each other more than a typical European country hates it’s neighbors because of core value differences.

            UK+EU members might hate each other for historical reasons but generally they all hold similar core values. Good ones BTW. Democracy is good.

            I live in the midwestern US and if I could I’d have it’s culture swallowed up by the east coast’s culture (except maybe the food) because its pretty fucking boring and backwards in many respects anyway. The only reason I still live here is because I’m poor but I kind of hate midwestern culture.

            Diversity is scientifically and provably good for creativity that in turn is good for everything humans do

            Diversity is good, smoking is bad. So are Texas’s anti-abortion and anti-trans bills, which is fueled by Texas’s reactionary culture which diverges from Cali and NJ. Including unhealthy or even straight up death cult ideas as a form of “diversity” seems… ill advised.

            My point is, sometimes things are just bad and serve no beneficial purpose and can’t be justified on the basis of “diversity”. Smoking culture is one.

            • nyctre@lemmy.world
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              20 days ago

              Finland 20.7%, USA 23.6%, according to world population review.com and one of the few sources I could find that mentions both the USA and finland. So you’re wrong there. (Globalactiontoendsmoking.org has similar numbers, btw)

              Also, you said traits. Plural. But yeah, easier to make up shit and pretend you’re right and then stop replying when proven wrong than just be mature and say “my bad”.