should the footage be wiped between each flight? yes.
Unfortunately that’s not how it would work, current FDR data already isn’t wiped between flights, and has been used in the past to discipline crew members.
The issue with that is that when the blame game starts, people inherently try to hide stuff rather than admit fault and work towards a solution.
So where do you draw the line? Should everyone always have a camera pointed at them for “safety”?
I get what you’re saying, but how many thousands of cycles do you think the 787 has on it for this to be the first time they failed, and for two separate switches to fail seconds apart?
Accident investigators are very good at what they do, and I will be willing to bet they will be able to narrow it down to an actual cause, even without a camera.
It is my understanding that it is known the switches were moved, not that there was a failure that reproduced the same effect.
Switches can be monitored meaning their position is known and recorded. Further the odds of them both failing, one second apart is almost zero. All signs point towards someone turned them off, and one of the pilots had a history of mental health issues. It’s not a guarantee, but the math seems to be adding up.
My understanding is that we already know that information, we have the technology to know when the switch is moved, not just when the system acts as if the switch is moved.
I can’t imagine the fuel cutoff switches aren’t monitored, and if they aren’t that’s something that should already exist.
Once again, I will point out, and I really hope I’m not jinxing it, but the USA doesn’t have cockpit cameras, and even still has a pretty exceptional safety record.
And I understand blame is not the intent, but pardon me if I don’t believe that information won’t be used against the crew. This pretty much killed single pilot operations, so now the other solution is to put the crews under a magnifying glass until you can find more problems you can use.
Ohhhhhhh buddy you activated my trap card. I happen to have multiple type ratings, and I still consider myself far from an expert. However I do still hold a CFI so I’m going to try to teach you some stuff!
Every airplane that I’ve been required to have a type rating for has a radar altimeter. A lot of systems already use that information, from auto landings, to caution message inhibits, down to GLD spoilers. Watch any “landing an airliner” YouTube videos, I feel pretty safe in saying generally you will hear an audible “50, 40, 30, 20, 10”, that information is usually derived from the radar altimeter.
While you are correct, there are emergency checklists that do require engine shutdowns, there are very few that would require that to be done weight off wheels and under 1000ft AGL. Off the top of my head, the ditching (landing in water) checklist would, but that could be tied to a ditching switch, if equipped, which since I don’t have a 787 type, I don’t know if it does, but I would guess it probably does.
Seeing as you know what a pitot tube is I’m going to assume you at least have some interest in flying. The pitot tube is used for airspeed, what you’re probably thinking of is the other part of that system called the static port. That’s used for things like altitude and vertical speed.
Circling back to my “simple fix”, my current airframe has triple redundant hydraulics with dual redundant pumps for each. So for something that has that much redundancy, don’t you think something as critical as an engine should require more than one switch to shutdown, at least at an altitude of high vulnerability? Just food for thought.
What’s to learn? From this incident specifically.
That a pilot with a history of mental health issues most likely did it? What does that teach us? And what are we going to do about it?
Anything shy of treating it as a disability and retiring the pilot with full pay until their retirement age will result in people still hiding rather than looking for help when they need it.
The USA doesn’t have cockpit cameras and has a pretty exceptional safety record, so I’m not sure what anyone is hoping to achieve other than blame someone, which is entirely contradictory to safety.
A camera wouldn’t have prevented anything, it would only make blame slightly easier.
Maybe improved mental health resources for pilots would be more helpful.
Or maybe not having a single point of failure for something so critical. Airplane engines are made to burn for a while before they become a problem, so why can’t a two engine shutdown be inhibited below a certain radar altitude, or something of that nature?
Seems like a lot of pretty easy fixes that would work preemptively, rather than just another $20 part marked up to $20,000 because it comes with a FAA part number, that can only be used to assign blame after the fact.
Let me ask everyone this, would you want a camera in your office? Or should nurses have to wear body cameras all shift just so if something happens to a patient they can make sure they can blame the correct person?
I’m sure that sounded better in your head than it read.
It’s okay, you still have worth!
Wait I’m confused, so Mexico is safer than the USA, but they murder any politician who goes against the cartel?
Doesn’t sound so safe to me?
Oh buddy, hold on! You’re about to get nuked for saying something positive about guns!
Edit: FWIW I agree entirely!
Absolutely, why should only some people be afforded a right.
Criminals will be criminals, take guns away and they start running cars through crowds.
I agree, take the word gun out of an argument and replace it with car or tool, something common.
If the argument no longer makes sense, neither does the argument.
Should it be state funded? Or should only people who can afford it be allowed to exercise their rights?
So a friend borrows your car, and runs someone over, do you feel the same way?
Or if someone steals a hammer out of your toolbox and beats someone to death?
I understand, and I’m all for responsible gun ownership, but what you’re saying would be hard to prove and easy to use as a weapon against certain people.
As someone who felt the same for many years and finally got the house I never thought I would, keep moving forward! Eventually the hard word does payoff!
The usual way. It’s not hard.
Oh do explain, since it’s so easy.
A regular jail, where they have access to a lawyer and the other protections of due process enshrined in our most fundamental laws.
But I thought America’s prison system was broken too?
No one is saying for criminals to do whatever they want. We just want you lot to acknowledge that the law of the land ensures due process to everyone, not just citizens.
Finally you say something we can all agree upon.
Your analogy isn’t applicable.
Because you don’t want it to be… Sure it isn’t applicable to every single situation, but I’d be willing to guess it applies to a majority.
These people aren’t being arrested mid-crime, they’re kidnapping them from their homes, off the street, at their jobs, and again, at their legal immigration hearings.
Isn’t being in a country when you’re not supposed to be “mid-crime”?
And as much as you clearly want it to be “kidnapping”, it’s not. It’s called “unlawful arrest” or “wrongful arrest”, and a quick Google search shows these people are about to get a large settlement.
Again, it’s not perfect, but nothing is. All I can hope is that the actual victims are compensated handsomely.
M as in Mancy!
Not OP, but probably to sabotage the competition rather than force each party to run a competitive candidate.
I don’t know… You sure seem to have the personality for it!