Huzzah, that was my hope!

I’ve wondered how many other folks are jerking it way more often than pre-covid.

I’d imagine they’d be doing it for the whole fediverse. I mean from their perspective, why not? The whole open nature, in my limited understanding, seems to make that easier.

I don’t. Countries literally should not exist. I oppose deportations however they are being conducted.

That’s fine, oppose deportations etc but you’re completely missing the point, which is that it’s not about politeness or decorum, there is something fundamentally different about the lack of due process.

To put it very bluntly, did you fail to understand the difference between jailing rapists after due process versus jailing anyone whom any police officer thinks is a rapist? Or is one just an impolite version of the other?

Again, you’re confusing due process and asylum laws with “neatness” or “politeness.”

To put it another way, we are probably both against rape and okay with putting rapists in jail. But, if police started jailing anyone they thought looked a little rapey, and those jailed had no due process, I would hope we would both be against that. Not because it wasn’t neat or polite but because that is a fundamentally dangerous thing for a state to do.

I think a country should be able to control its borders, thus you need a mechanism to remove people, which is deportation.

However, due process is essential (whole asylum laws are required to meet international law + treaty/moral obligation) and without it, it’s super dangerous.

This isn’t about neatness or politeness, it’s about a fundamental and essential check on state power.

Absolutely. “Those I disagree with don’t actually have real values or beliefs!”

Because I don’t just oppose American citizens being deported or possibly sent to El Salvadorean torture prisons (which, as an American citizen, I absolutely do oppose), but I equally oppose anyone being deported or possibly sent to El Salvadorean torture prisons, regardless of citizenship status.

Okay, so surely you can see how people can disagree with this while having more values than decorum? Right?

Yeah, this is just nonsense.

You’ve decided that you dislike centrism and thus it can only stand for decorum and then built a weird theory around this bizzare perception.

If you really chalk going through due process, respecting asylum laws and not deporting innocent, possibly American people to El Salvador as “decorum” that says more about you and your lack of understanding than it does about centrism.

This isn’t going to be an interesting or enlightening discussion. Whether you feel that means I think you’re less than human, well that’s up to you.

It’s really not. Centrists seem to have no serious desire to change the status quo, only the people who run them and the things they say. For example, centrists usually don’t oppose ICE deportations, e.g. all the ones done under the Bush and Obama and Biden admins; they simply oppose the openness and brashness of how they’re being done.

This is just you disagreeing with their positions and saying that means their only value is decorum! That’s utterly silly.

It’d be like saying "Lefties only care about minorities etc so if you are white, you can infer a Leftie thinks you are less than human.

Ha, just edited, but to repost:

A) it’s a nonsensical caricature of centrists.

B) Someone being rude to you does not mean they think you are less than human, it generally means you aren’t worth being polite to which is very different.

C) just, ugh.

This is utter ridiculousness on so very many levels.

Edit: for politeness’ sake…

A) it’s a nonsensical caricature of centrists.

B) Someone being rude to you does not mean they think you are less than human, it generally means you aren’t worth being polite to which is very different.

C) just, ugh.

“Not when the price is 200 and certainly not when you have Liberia’s deficit in your skyrocket!”

Also, fully agree on Lock Stock v Snatch. Snatch is more polished etc but damn, the dialogue LS is so damned good. I feel half the time I go to a Guy Ritchie movie nowadays it’s out of a sense of gratitude for LS more than anything else.

But it’s an animated gif!

Damn, I’ve had this scene and consequently the movie stuck in my head since your original quote.

A curse and a blessing.

Your’re welcome! Enjoy!

Sorry! That’s what imgflip outputted when I made it. On my phone it still seems like a gif, no idea why/how it would change.

Lock Stock and 2 Smoking barrels. Guy Ritchie’s first and arguably best movie.

If you haven’t seen it, well, I’d change that.

But this is Willy and Willy lives here!

And we got to watch it happen. Beautiful.

WHAT A HIT! Springer is a goddamn hero.

(Also, loving this pitching rotation anarchy!)