Damn bro, you’re one pressed Russian-sympathizing tankie arentcha?

Good thing you have the whole .ml instance and don’t have to be here.

Was the Lemmy dev DaveL or Davel or something?

Damn, tf did you do? I’m only banned from .ml bc when O first joined Lemmy, I selected them as my instance not knowing any better. Then I did what any sane person would do and told tankies they were insane and a curse upon the workd. The Davel, a mod there, got butthurt as hell and here I am.

I mean, it’s not prejudiced. It’s in the Quran and discussed amongst Imams/Islamic scholars. Sure, the watered-down Twelvers aren’t going around beheading people in the US, but it’s still a principle of Twelver belief to amass/promote all Islamic growth, including the sects of Islam that do want Sharia law.

Look at Dearborn, Michigan and how the majority Muslim community and city council and mayor are treating non-Muslim citizens, particularly those who are LGBTQ+ immediately upon gaining political/administrative power.

With Islam, the issue is both ideological and based in leadership at the moment. The same goes for Mormons and Hassidics, but the more general and basic versions of those religions don’t promote or encourage the growth of the more “extreme” sects quite like Islam does. Christianity certainly has a chokehold on the US and it’s being wielded in an awful way by the admin. Yet at the root of it the life and teachings of Mohammed and Jesus are RADICALLY and I mean INSANELY RADICALLY different to the point of moral disgust at Mohammed and a passive indifference towards Jesus.

At no point have I said violence solves anything here. I agree that it creates only more radicals/gives them reason for retaliation — justified or not.

Yes, I’ve met muslims. Yes, I’m familiar with the differences between the Taliban and Hamas, and how Hamas is an even more violent offshoot of another violent Islamic terrorist the Muslim Brotherhood. I’m familiar with the differences between Shia and Sunni. My strong distaste for Islam is, unfortunately, backed by research into the faith, its origins, and the history of its effect on populations of the world.

Didn’t say it wasn’t noteworthy, nor did I say it should continue. I only said that if it were up to them I would be dead, apostasy is punishable by death under Sharia law and atheism counts as apostasy.

Further, this is only one of many genocides going on in the world at the moment, and while still sad and condemnable, is less “effective” than others — say the genocide of the Uyghurs in China, or the countless genocidal/humanitarian crises in Africa affecting Muslims and non-muslims alike on a scale that dwarfs Palestine/Israel. How/why should I give more than a second of thought to things I have no control over and don’t affect me or my loved ones on the other side of the world? Again, tragic stuff, but tf am I gonna do? Virtue signal for internet points? Nah, enough people doing it already and it’s inescapable.

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Props to the dude for trying. A shame the 2018 UN vote got fucked up by, oh let’s see: China, Russia, and every Islamic State — preventing Hamas from appropriately being designated a terrorist org.

Dude might still be alive had it been successful because then we wouldn’t have morons swaying public opinion by saying dogwhistle genocidal call shit like “From the river to the sea” lol. But no, since it was never designated, people now make arguments that those fuckers are a “resistance force” and no intelligent conversations can be had 90% of the time.

Getting downvoted for this is insane and shows you’re just getting barraged by Russian symps.

Based af. If you don’t echo the call, you don’t get all the epic updoots and you piss off all the other mouth-breathers.

As a leftist, this shit is RAVAGING the fuckin’ leftist cause. Why the fuck would I care about any Islamic population when if they have power — they would kill me for apostasy?

No point arguing with .ml’s, they’re bad faith actors and social disruptors. Quite literally everything you’ve said is true, validly supported by reasoning, and a reasonable position.

I don’t have money to donate, but I’d never donate to an org if I thought there was even a CHANCE it would end up in the hands if or for the benefit of globally recognized terrorists.

I recommend using iCloud for sync instead if you’re on Apple.

Perhaps Russia should stop with the tired imperialist ambitions and fully retreat out of Ukraine. NATO would likely cease existing if Russia stopped being an annoying tick on the Earth all the fuckin time.

Russia threatens nuclear war every other month, god forbid some of the countries along it’s border participate in MAD.

Well if ya do it in white robes, you’d likely be profiled as a terrorist member org member (kkk), but if ya did it near a church in plain clothes, it would definitely be free speech.

Idk why you keep switching details in your weird little scenarios as if they won’t make a difference and I won’t notice. You’re arguing in bad faith.

Well considering it wasn’t put on any other person’s property and just “near” or “outside”, your attempt at a gotcha falls flat here.

Looks like people just got arrested for it so I beg to differ.

And what, pray-tell, do you suggest we learn from the French that we currently don’t practice?

I also find it interesting that you insinuate to not be from the U.S. but claim to know the demographics of who is doing decent and how well they were doing. I know plenty of asian, black, and hispanic people who were/are just as wealthy as white people, more righting-leaning than white people, and/or otherwise voted for Trump.

Ignoring that weird tangent you went on, quite literally everyone was doing better before Trump so long as you weren’t the wealthy elite (who are now even better than before), so functionally, by comparison, yes, America was doing decent across the board regardless of race, gender, class etc. What are you even trying to say?

“Saying we should kill all black people will get you jailed in mamy western nations, in the US it’s a rallying cry”

First of all: many*

I have lived in rural and suburban areas. I have also lived in right-leaning and left-leaning areas. I now live in a city.

Your information must be outdated because never in my 30ish years living in the U.S. have I ever heard “We should kill all black people” let alone heard it used as a “rallying cry.” Be fuckin’ for real and get out of your fantasy land. You can’t even spell correctly, I won’t be engaging with you or your bad-faith arguments any further lol

Okay buddy 👍 if you’re incapable of thinking just say so.

There’s plenty wrong with America, but as someone who doesn’t take part in any religion, I appreciate and demand the right to be able to protest or otherwise denounce religions that are morally reprehensible. Islam is one of those, some sects of Christianity as well - namely Mormonism which is functionally the Islam of Christianity lol.

Part of why America has become the way it is, is due to the rampant hesitancy at opposing the fascist/authoritarian nature of religions such as Christianity. Seems America will become a Christian hellscape, France appears to be going down the Islamic hellscape.

Doesn’t change my point that freedom of speech/protest is important to resist the controlling nature of the religious disease.

And I commend them for it. They can do that because their country hasn’t undergone decades of police militarization like in the U.S.

France seems to be going out by death by a thousands cuts while retaining their right to burn down the city; in contrast, the U.S. retains the right to small oppositions and protest while large-scale ones tend to get the full force of the militarized police state. Pick your poison I guess.

I’d hardly say we rolled over like dogs considering there are regular protests with significant turn-out here — they’re just not covered by the media because it would hurt the oligarchs/corporate overlords in their quest for domination.

Further, there’s more than a little bit of evidence that strongly suggests our election was tampered with and that Russia has been in the mix for a while now.

America is in a bad way yes, but until quite literally this year we were doing decent.

Maybe consider the position of the average good-natured American rather than assume they’re all fat and stupid people who want the leader we currently have?

Maybe you should shut up and think for a second before being so aggressive?

As a preface, I think this admin, and this whole meeting including the part about fitness, is/was monumentally stupid and I hate where this is going.

However, I do subscribe to the healthy mind leads to a healthy body and healthy body leads to a healthy mind. I don’t think it’s unreasonable at all to have an expectation that our military leadership be fit/healthy/in-shape and not beer-bellied pencil pushers lol. Hard to lead when you’re worried about your failing heart y’know? It is, however, SO STUPID, that they included this in the meeting and had Pete “The Alcoholic” Hegseth lecture them about health.

Beyond just the health of the leaders for their own performance, the military certainly does have a degree of “lead by example” and “respect for appearance” by the lower ranks of the upper ranks.

So while this whole thing is stupid and should’ve been an internal memo/order and, Hegseth and Trump are fascist cronnies — I don’t think it’s unreasonable for their to be a basic expectation that military leadership keep their weight in check (not ripped and huge with muscle, just lean and not overly fat).