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  • Paris’s RER A is an extreme example, with 10-car double-deck trains moving 2,600 people, ~30 trains per hour. More than a million daily journeys.

    The Victoria line is a more frequency-heavy system, with 8-car single deck trains at 1100 passengers at 36tph, or 40k PPHPD.

    Fully underground systems usually have shorter trains due to the constraints and costs of building longer underground platforms.




  • Usually these systems rely on people getting on/off at different stops, rather than one stop seeing full volume. If it’s one stop, chances are it’ll look like a terminus station and you’ll need several platforms and possibly dual-side boarding to each train. It’ll be quite a bit wider than tracks with no station, or a minimalist station.

    This is pretty common at major sports arenas.

    The same of course applies to other transit options: high-capacity bus stops take up space, and motorway interchanges and especially carparks also take up a lot of space.


  • What nonsense?

    50k PPHPD is near the top of what can be easily achieved in a metro with one track per direction, but certainly achievable. 2x4m wide tracks and some space for ancillary equipment and fencing is reasonable.

    You get maybe one passenger per two seconds in a car lane, or about 1800 per lane per hour. That implies 28 lanes each way, 55 total, or about 165m assuming 3m lanes (pretty narrow). Seems fair to me.

    No comment on buses, cyclists, or pedestrians.






  • Firefighting is probably one of the best fields to attract volunteers to. Save lives, glamorous, awesome PR, play with cool ‘toys’. Downside is danger but there’s enough people for whom that’s an upside.

    Does that mean they’re all/mostly trainable, stick around long enough to justify the training, and willing to put in the work even when it comes to more mundane tasks like training, cleaning, equipment overhaul, drying pipes etc?

    I believe most places have both paid and volunteer firefighters and I imagine it’s for a reason.


  • Yes. You’re still going to need to reward those people in some way that isn’t generic feel-good or worthless karma. People won’t go “I’m on the UBI and all my needs are met, but I’ll go build water pumps where one in fifty might get used in a pharma application just for the feel-good”.


  • Yeah. I’m not saying that no positions can be filled by volunteers or people working for feel-good rather than profit motive… but it’s a lot easier to find people willing to do novel research or development than it is to find someone to keep the plant chilled water systems running, or to build the pumps for the plant.



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    I have usually seen this argument applied as saying that we’re post scarcity now and that if we just gave everyone UBI, you’d be able to fill all the jobs you actually need with volunteers today, and just ‘get rid of’ the unnecessary/wasteful consumer goods.

    Yeah, if you centrally applied resources to fields that actually needed it rather than profitable fields, that would in some ways be great. Ads would basically die overnight, for starters.

    There’s a small proportion of the population that loves what they do - and more would if you were able to get rid of middle management. A good part of the reason volunteer projects tend to be successful is that they’re almost entirely composed of people who completely believe in the project.

    Are you going to find a few thousand people in the same area who really believe in building great quality drugs/aircraft/electrical cables/plastic pipe when their job is mostly repetitive labour?

    I’ve worked a fair bit of construction. There’s a feel-good factor for certain kinds of projects, but at the end of the day you’re installing stuff. Are we going to be able to build, staff, and maintain a semiconductor fab, a pharma factory, or an aircraft/engine assembly line with volunteers? What about the wire/steel/pump factories that make the bits used to build the building?

    Part of how we’ve got to record low levels of e.g. aircraft fatalities is meticulous documentation (certain issues notwithstanding), procedures, and double/triple checking. And no-one really wants to be QA for long, or have QA watching over them like a hawk, especially when it’s both.

    Replacing some of these roles with AI/robots doesn’t necessarily help that much. AI is bad at meticulous paperwork. So are unenthusiastic people.