hungrybread [comrade/them]

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Cake day: January 19th, 2021

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  • If the project doesn’t have to be a traditional crypto, but just an alternative payment system, there’s probably some stuff already. I’ve bumped into community based time tracking software before that had a similar goal of making sure folks were compensated for taking care of common spaces and neighbors.

    I think we could somewhat reasonably setup a labor voucher network where participating organizations and people can compensate other individuals with single use vouchers for time worked, that can then be used at that same network of participating companies. Like all monetary like systems its subject to many potential exploits, but I wouldn’t be surprised if there are already some decent technical and social solutions for many of them.



  • I’m cool with being wrong about this, but unfortunately haven’t found a solid source recently to indicate either way (maybe another day I’ll have time to find one, but not today)

    Unfortunately my comparison was obv apples to oranges, but id find it at least a little bit surprising if a continuously running and rendering process like a game would use the same amount of energy in the same amount of time as a user interacting with a chatbot that only uses a GPU on request. Yes, if a user was continuously feeding input in and generating output from a llm that seems trivially true that it would use more energy, but thats not how it would be used in this case.

    Also, training is a fair point for end-to-end analysis but I don’t even know how we would start that for total energy cost for developing a game, hence leaving that out of discussion. (Edit: I assume, because of all the attention on llms in recent years, that training an llm costs significantly more than developing a game (how ever we would fence off both measurements), but that is even more vibes based analysis than my original assumption earlier in the thread)


  • I tend to agree regarding the environmental angle to abolish llms, but in cases like this I’m not sure that’s a fair comparison. I don’t have the resource usage numbers, but if I had to venture a guess regarding environment cost the actual cost of using an llm for something like this vs playing baldurs gate 3 for a similar experience, surely bg3 would blow the llm usage (not training) costs out of the water. The environmental cost of buying a printed DnD rulebook would also by itself be more.

    Granted, a user could just find a PDF or whatever, but thats not really my point in this case. I just think we probably need to have concrete understanding of the costs of llms (and where it comes from) when levying critiques of the technology.


  • This rocks and super happy for you comrade!

    Just curious, were you not particularly spiritual before transitioning? Sometimes I feel like there’s a cool witchy person in me but the less cool annoyling pessimistic and atheist side tends to win out. also both sides feel oddly gendered for whatever reason.

    NGL I feel like I’m on a similar trajectory but still at the “still cis tho” phase, and have been for a long time now. Not really sure how to get started on trying out different elements of transitioning tbh, but I just bought a new dress that I really like so I guess I’ll start there. No idea where to go after lmao