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jackeroni@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.ml · 2 months ago

It's even infecting the wider lemmy network!

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It's even infecting the wider lemmy network!

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jackeroni@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.ml · 2 months ago
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    2 months ago

    Getting people to read even short articles is impossible.

    Just be honest with yourself any say that you’re not looking to challenge your orientalist biases, that you just want things to confirm them.

    The communists were the ones who defeated fascism in ww2, Mao being one of the most important leaders in that fight against japanese fascism. To equate Mao with nazis or the axis powers, who they shed so much blood to defeat, is sickening.

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      And you are impartial, saying someone you do not know has an “orientalist” bias. Throwing out pejorative words, linking to lengthy fringe arguments like a Trump supporter telling me to watch Hannity.

      I see you’re defending your heroes by parsing words and cherry-picking books and news and rallying your arguments (and propaganda) to defend them. I expected nothing less from you; it’s exactly the same thing a Trump supporter would do.

      Carry on, comrade. Enjoy yourself. You have the evangelistic fervor of a Baptist preacher.

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        I see you’re defending your heroes by parsing words and cherry-picking books and news and rallying your arguments (and propaganda) to defend them. I expected nothing less from you; it’s exactly the same thing a Trump supporter would do.

        Meanwhile you do something a million times more honorable and simply refuse to confront new information, dismiss it all as propaganda, and say your opponent is equal to a Trump supporter (for what? for having principled stances that he backed up with multiple sources? How often do Trump supporters back up their claims with sources that aren’t PragerU videos or AI generated images?). You’re implying that Dessalines is being intellectually dishonest when he has done nothing incorrect in this conversation: he made a claim to counter your unsourced claim, cited his sources, and when you refused to learn anything at all he’s just calling you out for falling back on Western propaganda. Is any of that wrong?

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        The People’s Republic of China oversaw the largest increase of quality of life in human history, and the previously mentioned famine would be the last in a region where they have frequently occurred throughout history.

        The PRC’s legacy is not one of causing famine, it is of ending it.

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          That’s a bold statement, what’s your source?

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            2 months ago
            • Monster or Liberator? by Carlos Martinez
            • How did Mao manage to kill ~78 million people? by Godfree Roberts
            • The Long Game and Its Contradictions. Audiobook
            • The Rise of the Chinese People’s Communes by Anna Louise Strong
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            • Wikipedia: List of famines in China
            • Reuters, 2018, China overtakes U.S. for healthy lifespan: WHO data
            • United Nations Secretary-General, 2019: Helping 800 Million People Escape Poverty Was Greatest Such Effort in History, Says Secretary-General, on Seventieth Anniversary of China’s Founding
            • The Economist, 2021: At 54, China’s average retirement age is too low
            • Bloomberg, 2024: China’s Energy Use Per Person Surpasses Europe’s for First Time
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              That covers recent history. What about Egypt, or the Roman Empire?

              You didn’t mean increase in quality of life for everyone in the world, just for the people under that government?

              There’s a lot of candidates in “human history”.

              I’m pretty sure there was no comparative research involved in your assessment, but you might look at Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality_of_life but there’s no mention of China there at all.

              Probably because Wikipedia is orientalist and just a Western megaphone. But you quoted them, so maybe not.

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                I see. You’re just wasting our time playing knee-jerk contrarian.

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