not to be rude, but i think almost literally everyone commenting in this thread is misinterpreting this use of the word “hot.” for a while now, trump has been back on using that in its older slang sense, as in “so hot right now.” he talks about the way women look a lot, but this isn’t one of those times.
i find it generally useful to at least understand what someone’s trying to say when figuring out their intentions. and it’s so odd that he’s trying to make saying things are “hot” a thing again. like he’s saying amerikkka is the hottest country.
Not native speaker here but i though saying the word “hot” in this context basically means its a very seeked commodity, as in sells like hot bread, aka very attractive.
It’s very uncommon in modern parlance to use it that way in reference to a person. Not completely unrecognizable or anything, but to the average person it will come off the wrong way unless heavily contextualized.
I don’t think those meanings of hot are disentwined as you suggest. Hot (popular) and Hot (sexy) are semantically related and in the context of talking about women a misogynist is definitely referring to how they look, if also to how popular/profitable they are.
Hot sexy and Hot popular are not opposite, in fact they are kissing, sloppy style, squishing boobs together, etc.
“Attractive” is a synonym to both, before we even get into how played out sexuality is in marketing terminology. But I want to emphasize that an old pig like Trump only covets beauty in women, it’s impossible to suggest he’d actually not mean it that way with his well established record of misogynistic language and acts
I’m not saying Trump’s not a terrible misogynist. He has a record of countless things I’d need to put a CW for. That’s not what I’m saying.
What I am saying is that we have very explicit context for a contrary interpretation in this case, because him being a terrible misogynist does not logically validate that every single thing he says must have been intended according to the most misogynistic interpretation, in the presence of competing evidence.
It isn’t contrary! I explained it with a meme reference but ‘hot off the shelves’ and sexy hot are closely related in meaning and overlap significantly. Sexy commercials for products unrelated to sex don’t make sense in a context where popularity and marketability is alienated from sexual desires. And Trump is marinated in marketing culture, he lives to make himself and his supporters “hot” in both meanings
It was a very accurate representation of Zizek, because it was more oriented toward sounding clever than advancing understanding. Your argument is just not philologically sound, because his intended meaning (whatever cute literary criticism you can offer about freudian slips) still was not about sexual attractiveness but brand value. He wasn’t saying people want to fuck Tulsi Gabbard, he wasn’t saying people want to fuck America, and he’s using the same parlance here.
you’re so tied up on statements having exclusive meaning, it is not a ‘slip’, he intentionally links popularity to sexual desire. And yes, he absolutely means people want to fuck Gabbard, himself and his supporters as proxies for ‘America’.
you aren’t going to appreciate how sexually charged fascist anxieties are if you analyze their language in such a stiff definitional way. He could have chosen different language to arrive at your sterile meanings.
not to be rude, but i think almost literally everyone commenting in this thread is misinterpreting this use of the word “hot.” for a while now, trump has been back on using that in its older slang sense, as in “so hot right now.” he talks about the way women look a lot, but this isn’t one of those times.
I’m actually not convinced it even matters what he really meant — like he’s probably still just as wrong both ways
i find it generally useful to at least understand what someone’s trying to say when figuring out their intentions. and it’s so odd that he’s trying to make saying things are “hot” a thing again. like he’s saying amerikkka is the hottest country.
Folks, we have the hottest Country, the fires are burning very Hot!
I wonder if Trump’s getting a little sleepy himself now that he’s almost 80
trump is brandonizing at an alarming clip
The weather is so hot right now
Not native speaker here but i though saying the word “hot” in this context basically means its a very seeked commodity, as in sells like hot bread, aka very attractive.
It’s very uncommon in modern parlance to use it that way in reference to a person. Not completely unrecognizable or anything, but to the average person it will come off the wrong way unless heavily contextualized.
I don’t think those meanings of hot are disentwined as you suggest. Hot (popular) and Hot (sexy) are semantically related and in the context of talking about women a misogynist is definitely referring to how they look, if also to how popular/profitable they are.
But we have the context of him talking about other things, such as America itself, being hot, so I think he really does mean it in the popular sense.
“Attractive” is a synonym to both, before we even get into how played out sexuality is in marketing terminology. But I want to emphasize that an old pig like Trump only covets beauty in women, it’s impossible to suggest he’d actually not mean it that way with his well established record of misogynistic language and acts
I’m not saying Trump’s not a terrible misogynist. He has a record of countless things I’d need to put a CW for. That’s not what I’m saying.
What I am saying is that we have very explicit context for a contrary interpretation in this case, because him being a terrible misogynist does not logically validate that every single thing he says must have been intended according to the most misogynistic interpretation, in the presence of competing evidence.
ps you said “etc” instead of “and so on”
It isn’t contrary! I explained it with a meme reference but ‘hot off the shelves’ and sexy hot are closely related in meaning and overlap significantly. Sexy commercials for products unrelated to sex don’t make sense in a context where popularity and marketability is alienated from sexual desires. And Trump is marinated in marketing culture, he lives to make himself and his supporters “hot” in both meanings
It was a very accurate representation of Zizek, because it was more oriented toward sounding clever than advancing understanding. Your argument is just not philologically sound, because his intended meaning (whatever cute literary criticism you can offer about freudian slips) still was not about sexual attractiveness but brand value. He wasn’t saying people want to fuck Tulsi Gabbard, he wasn’t saying people want to fuck America, and he’s using the same parlance here.
you’re so tied up on statements having exclusive meaning, it is not a ‘slip’, he intentionally links popularity to sexual desire. And yes, he absolutely means people want to fuck Gabbard, himself and his supporters as proxies for ‘America’.
you aren’t going to appreciate how sexually charged fascist anxieties are if you analyze their language in such a stiff definitional way. He could have chosen different language to arrive at your sterile meanings.