• iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works
    5·
    11 months ago

    I love how one person cites a statistic, and another person just dismisses it as false because of their anecdotal experience.

    • jonne@infosec.pub
      0·
      11 months ago

      And I’ve never heard of a contract that explicitly ties non-union workers’ pay to the union contact, but I’d be cheering the union guys on if they ever asked for a raise if that was the case.

      • ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.netOP
        1·
        11 months ago

        That’s actually more common than you think. It’s not explicit.

        My niece who works at a very popular coffee shop where some are unioned, the non-union ones get paid a bit extra and reminded on the daily about that benefit of higher pay for being non-unioned.

        And my aunt works as a receptionist in a non-union hospital. Her counterparts in a union, when they went on strike and got a huge pay bump… She suddenly “mysteriously” got a pay bump aligned with it because the non-union hospital was afraid of employees unionizing (which secretly, they were).

    • Frozengyro@lemmy.world
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      11 months ago

      This is how most people think and see the world, which is why we (the US) are in the boat we’re in now. People don’t see the big picture if they never have to or aren’t taught how to think critically.

      • Maeve@midwest.social
        0·
        11 months ago

        Almost as of by design of corporate overlords and billionaires. Almost as of billions of dollars and collective hate can’t fill the emptiness. Almost as if we should focus on healing everyone’s (including billionaires ')wounded inner child schisms and social divides may start healing. Maybe

      • faythofdragons@slrpnk.netEnglish
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        11 months ago

        I think it’s a complicated problem. To start with, the studies are usually paywalled. If you can afford to purchase access, you still need the capacity to understand and parse the formal academic language. Most people have neither of those requirements, and have to rely on the media to report the statistics accurately, which doesn’t happen.

        This leads to a situation where the media keeps trying to say, idk employment statistics are better than ever, and then everybody updates their mental blocklist to filter out the word ‘statistics’.

        • Frozengyro@lemmy.world
          1·
          11 months ago

          Not to mention most issues are extremely nuanced and complex, not something that can be accurately broken down into 5 second sound bits.

  • pyre@lemmy.world
    2·
    11 months ago

    “your statistic is false because I have an anecdote” is literally the entire basis of the conservative understanding of science.

    union workers don’t make more on average because I earn half a dollar more.

    global warming isn’t happening because I brought a snowball.

    vaccines cause death because my friend walked out of a clinic after a shot and got hit by a self driving tesla.

  • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
    0·
    11 months ago

    How is it even legal to have explicitly preferential pay for people not in a union? Is there a limit to that, or can companies just say, “Anyone who joins a union will be paid minimum wage.” Ofc with at-will employment they can always just fire you, but like, if you think about it it’s pretty fucked up right?

    • Sheldan@lemmy.world
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      11 months ago

      I don’t think it’s preferential pay. It’s just that they pay more, somebody in the union also can get more money than the union minimum. Somebody not part of the union can get less or more than somebody in the union, just not below the union minimum.

      It’s not that if they join the union that they get less money. The union + 0.5 just means that they earn better than the minimum and the employer gives them more than the minimum, because people like that.

      At least that’s how it works where I live and union contracts are common.

      Not everyone part of the union has to get exactly the union minimum, it’s just that you cannot legally get less. People might not be part of the union but they still fall under the union contract negotiated by the union, because it applies to the entire company.

      • TheKMAP@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
        01·
        11 months ago

        So even then, the union people might be making more than the union minimum, so the non union person might still be making less than an average union person while not getting any union benefits.