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    5 months ago

    When I was fairly young my mom described Christian heaven. I remember struggling with the idea of not struggling and being happy all the time. Then she hit me with if someone you love doesn’t make it to heaven you forget them. That’s when the fracture began for me.

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        5 months ago

        So we join with the God-mind in order to understand why the person we previously loved isn’t worthy of love after all…

        Jim from the Office looks uncomfortable

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            But at the end of my lifetime, it’s someone I loved, but that God doesn’t love (not enough to bring them to heaven, anyway…), and so my feelings about them get updated with God’s perspective?

            So I learn why I was wrong to love them?

            Edit: I’m just saying that Hell as a concept, alongside an all-loving God, doesn’t compute, to me.

            Whereas Hell as a concept, introduced by human church leaders, to keep tithes up, makes perfect sense, to me.

            So it feels like an Occam’s Razor situation, to me.

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    5 months ago

    Me listening to tankies describe communism as a moneyless, stateless, classless world, then criticise anarchism

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    5 months ago

    This actually makes sense, once you understand what their problem is with communism.

    You see, they have no problem with all the benefits that communism offers… What bothers them is the idea that those benefits would be given to people who haven’t earned it.

    Heaven, to them, is a reward. Only the pure, the righteous, the faithful get to enjoy its benefits. Heaven only works for them if they imagine that they will be able to look down and see hell.

    A heaven for everyone, with no walls, no gates, no pitiful outcasts scrabbling to get in… That’s no heaven at all.

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    5 months ago

    Just so everyone knows, the word you should be using is socialism. Communism is what you call it when socialist pick up guns and other weapons and take over by force using violence. Socialism = good, communism = bad.

    Can we all agree that no matter how bad this gets, we shouldn’t stoop to their level?

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      5 months ago

      Nope, that’s not what communists mean, when communists talk about communism. What you describe is the dictatorship of the proletariat, not communism aka the time when all means of production are owned communally, everyone enjoys working according to their ability and lovingly shares all goods according to their needs.

      Of course, if you use the term “communism” to refer to the political movement that tries to achieve communism through revolution and the dictatorship of the proletariat, you’re 100 % right.

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    5 months ago

    I think it might have something to do with those “Christians” envisioning heaven as an implicit ethnostate.

    Socialism seems ugly to them because it involves the people who seem ugly to them being cared for.

    But they’d never say it out-loud; most can’t even see that’s what their twisted little hearts desire.

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          It has been 2025 years since the death of Christ, and we still do not have a functional economic system!

          No matter what angle you look at it from, it’s insanity.