The ecosystem has pretty much solidified. Most IOT and wearables require Android apps. All businesses have Android apps. Employers require Android apps for VPN or authenticating. If we switch to Linux phones it will be 10x worse than leaving Windows 10 years ago and you will not have dualbooting. I really hope some major phone manufacturer will step in and fork AOSP (Huaiwei?) but even that would be a short term solution as they would lock it down again as soon as possible. We’re fucked.
Well, I’m not trying to make you happy. I’m being realistic. Banks, IOT companies, car manufacturers, public institutions and many many others will not support Linux on mobile anytime soon if ever. They support iOS and Android, that’s it. And the easiest way to support Android is to use Google services. Going Android free will require a lot of effort and simply won’t be practical for most people.
You can run a lot of Android apps with Waydroid or similar solutions on postmarketOS. If a business does not support running their app in such a way, use a web version of their app if the functionality is sufficient, discontinue doing business with them, or encourage them to change.
These compatibility layers can be improved to such a point that mirrors Wine and Proton, where the only incompatibility is caused by a business decision.
I’ve been using deGoogle android for years now, I generally avoid connected devices and even I have couple of apps that require Google services and will not work on Waydroid. Those apps are:
app for my car charges
app for my car
app for my heat pump
banking apps
Authenticator for work
apps for public car chargers
I’m definitely not going to get new charger, car and heat pump because I’m changing my phone. Those apps are so common now I’m guessing most people are tied to some devices that are simply too expensive to change now. I have mortgage and investments in my banks. Switching would be costly and very complicated. There’s no way around the Authenticator app. Changing jobs because of this would be silly. Public charger app are unavoidable. Android Auto is unavoidable.
Android is entrenched. The simplest way is having a secondary phone for work, IOT, car and banking. Going completely Google services free is not feasible anymore.
I’m sorry that you can’t feasibly make the switch - thanks for sharing.
You prove a point though, and having two phones seems to be the play. It’d be cool to have a Linux phone and display/control the Android phone indirectly for convenience.
Perhaps there will be a way to emulate or proxy Google Play Services in scenarios like Waydroid. I’m not holding my breath though.
I can’t easily make as switch and I’m probably like top 1% when it comes to Google independence. Most people will have Gmail, google photos use gpay daily, use android auto, have even more IOT devices, google assistant speakers, smart doorbells and so on. I’m sure some people are less entrenched but it’s a tiny minority.
I did concede and I do largely agree with your responses. There’s any number of barriers stopping average people from switching, as much as it pains me to admit.
For the tech-inclined, there are plenty of alternative email providers and setting up email forwarding is a breeze, just as there many cloud photo services, CoMaps is likely going to see improvements in navigation, IoT devices/apps aren’t always reliant on external services, there are likely viable assistant alternatives around emerging, and hopefully inexpensive, private smart doorbells sprout up.
I personally never invested heavily into a phone. I just never found them particularly impressive, even with higher-end hardware. I tinker more than most people in a general sense, but my phone only gets used like how an average person would. I do a couple things on it, I don’t use anything special, and I’m not too picky. I just tend to avoid using the thing unless I get a phone call, message, or I want to check out the weather or social media.
The ecosystem has pretty much solidified. Most IOT and wearables require Android apps. All businesses have Android apps. Employers require Android apps for VPN or authenticating. If we switch to Linux phones it will be 10x worse than leaving Windows 10 years ago and you will not have dualbooting. I really hope some major phone manufacturer will step in and fork AOSP (Huaiwei?) but even that would be a short term solution as they would lock it down again as soon as possible. We’re fucked.
Your optimism is heartwarming and inspiring.
Well, I’m not trying to make you happy. I’m being realistic. Banks, IOT companies, car manufacturers, public institutions and many many others will not support Linux on mobile anytime soon if ever. They support iOS and Android, that’s it. And the easiest way to support Android is to use Google services. Going Android free will require a lot of effort and simply won’t be practical for most people.
There’s a difference between realistic and pessimistic. You, my friend, are being the latter. I don’t need you to make me happy. I’m not your child.
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That’s just like you’re opinion. For me you may sound overly optimistic to the point of being naive. But that’s also just my opinion.
You can run a lot of Android apps with Waydroid or similar solutions on postmarketOS. If a business does not support running their app in such a way, use a web version of their app if the functionality is sufficient, discontinue doing business with them, or encourage them to change.
These compatibility layers can be improved to such a point that mirrors Wine and Proton, where the only incompatibility is caused by a business decision.
I’ve been using deGoogle android for years now, I generally avoid connected devices and even I have couple of apps that require Google services and will not work on Waydroid. Those apps are:
I’m definitely not going to get new charger, car and heat pump because I’m changing my phone. Those apps are so common now I’m guessing most people are tied to some devices that are simply too expensive to change now. I have mortgage and investments in my banks. Switching would be costly and very complicated. There’s no way around the Authenticator app. Changing jobs because of this would be silly. Public charger app are unavoidable. Android Auto is unavoidable.
Android is entrenched. The simplest way is having a secondary phone for work, IOT, car and banking. Going completely Google services free is not feasible anymore.
I’m sorry that you can’t feasibly make the switch - thanks for sharing.
You prove a point though, and having two phones seems to be the play. It’d be cool to have a Linux phone and display/control the Android phone indirectly for convenience.
Perhaps there will be a way to emulate or proxy Google Play Services in scenarios like Waydroid. I’m not holding my breath though.
I can’t easily make as switch and I’m probably like top 1% when it comes to Google independence. Most people will have Gmail, google photos use gpay daily, use android auto, have even more IOT devices, google assistant speakers, smart doorbells and so on. I’m sure some people are less entrenched but it’s a tiny minority.
I did concede and I do largely agree with your responses. There’s any number of barriers stopping average people from switching, as much as it pains me to admit.
For the tech-inclined, there are plenty of alternative email providers and setting up email forwarding is a breeze, just as there many cloud photo services, CoMaps is likely going to see improvements in navigation, IoT devices/apps aren’t always reliant on external services, there are likely viable assistant alternatives around emerging, and hopefully inexpensive, private smart doorbells sprout up.
I personally never invested heavily into a phone. I just never found them particularly impressive, even with higher-end hardware. I tinker more than most people in a general sense, but my phone only gets used like how an average person would. I do a couple things on it, I don’t use anything special, and I’m not too picky. I just tend to avoid using the thing unless I get a phone call, message, or I want to check out the weather or social media.
Your heat pump has a fucking app? WHY!!! Mine goes by the thermostat and will remain that way.