Look I spend a lot of time with hexbears, they are the most vocal communists on lemmy and none of them are saying this. Perhaps you have simply misunderstood them. I’ve literally never seen anyone suggest we are ready for revolution and should do one right now in a serious manner.
Have you ever spoke with them in good faith and asked what they mean and if they seriously believe revolution is possible under the current material conditions of the US empire? I am sure you can find someone who might say yes to this but it is in no way close to the consensus. I’ve personally never encountered it
It certainly depicts it as a norm which is where I found disagreement and honestly anyone advocating for that should be talked to and educated instead of shamed through vague posting.
Not really? It just says “the leftists I met online”, that’s a sample not consensus
And I’ve tried talking and educating, you can’t reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into. And this post isn’t for them, it’s for the Calvins out there.
They’re saying that they’ve literally never met anyone calling for immediate action whilst proclaiming to interact regularly with Hexbears. They’re not in good faith.
I don’t have to strain too hard, my wife is a brown immigrant and I recently armed myself for that exact scenario. That’s not the same as just taking to the streets in a half assed, unplanned spontaneous “revolution”.
You’re free to believe what you want, but I’ve had this conversation at least a dozen times. Yes I’ve engaged sincerely, yes I confirmed that that was precisely what they were saying. Your lack of belief does not a strawman make.
i did as well. i struggle to find any serious leftist here who wants “spontaneous unplanned revolution” because it’s an antithesis of what we want. any leftist will tell you we are far from having material conditions for it.
Who knows? Maybe they’re bots or trolls trying to get leftists to do something stupid, maybe they’re naïve kids who took fringe or hyperbolic takes to be more mainstream. They’re here though.
These “leftists” aren’t any more legitimate than the mainstream commercial nihilists in the original.
Ah yes, No True Communist. There must be an awful lot of people pretending to be communists on Lemmy then.
Look I spend a lot of time with hexbears, they are the most vocal communists on lemmy and none of them are saying this. Perhaps you have simply misunderstood them. I’ve literally never seen anyone suggest we are ready for revolution and should do one right now in a serious manner.
If you just assume no one saying that is being serious, then I see why you might feel that way.
Have you ever spoke with them in good faith and asked what they mean and if they seriously believe revolution is possible under the current material conditions of the US empire? I am sure you can find someone who might say yes to this but it is in no way close to the consensus. I’ve personally never encountered it
Yes, multiple times. My post did not suggest it was the consensus.
It certainly depicts it as a norm which is where I found disagreement and honestly anyone advocating for that should be talked to and educated instead of shamed through vague posting.
Not really? It just says “the leftists I met online”, that’s a sample not consensus
And I’ve tried talking and educating, you can’t reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into. And this post isn’t for them, it’s for the Calvins out there.
They’re saying that they’ve literally never met anyone calling for immediate action whilst proclaiming to interact regularly with Hexbears. They’re not in good faith.
they are literally telling their experience. not much different than mine.
i suggest you guys actually go and talk to them in good faith and see for yourselves.
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I don’t have to strain too hard, my wife is a brown immigrant and I recently armed myself for that exact scenario. That’s not the same as just taking to the streets in a half assed, unplanned spontaneous “revolution”.
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i don’t think anyone is advocating for that. that’s kind of a strawman.
You’re free to believe what you want, but I’ve had this conversation at least a dozen times. Yes I’ve engaged sincerely, yes I confirmed that that was precisely what they were saying. Your lack of belief does not a strawman make.
i did as well. i struggle to find any serious leftist here who wants “spontaneous unplanned revolution” because it’s an antithesis of what we want. any leftist will tell you we are far from having material conditions for it.
where are these people coming from??
Who knows? Maybe they’re bots or trolls trying to get leftists to do something stupid, maybe they’re naïve kids who took fringe or hyperbolic takes to be more mainstream. They’re here though.
These “leftists” aren’t any more legitimate than the mainstream commercial nihilists in the original.