Lots of, uh, interesting comments here. My 2-cents worth of advice:
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Be highly suspicious of arguments that are essentially punching down on workers, all Americans, common people being lazy, stupid, etc. It’s class warfare (always has been) and the enemy are the oligarchs, not your fellow working class people.
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Calls to violence this early are pathetic. The non-violent activism is working and it’s only just barely even started. Calls to violence are from meatheads with zero patience (and likely zero understanding of how horrible that outcome will be for everyone involved).
Plus on your number 2 point: a LOT of the meathead types are just keyboard warriors with testosterone hard-ons trying to act like mister badass like it’s a flex. The crew of ‘Oh I wish they would try this shit at my house’ and the like, as if they aren’t some dude that would get absolutely put in the ground in 4 seconds or become a free loot drop if shit did pop off.
The #2 will stay behind their keyboards when TSHTF and then smugly criticize whatever failures of the actions, peaceful or violent, of those who actually took the risk and effort.
Well said
Also isn’t like 60% of internet AI bots
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Revolution is a group project and I hate group projects
Not the good kind of group project, where the others fuck off and let you handle everything. The bad kind of group project, where everyone wants their input to be validated as super-special and important even if it ruins the entire endeavor.
I need to kill the other group members so my ideology rises to the top!
Turns out there are so many group members that that becomes a group project too.
It’s group projects all the way down
Oh no
Back to the trees everybody
You can just watch them act like the right extremist but they can’t see it… It’s like they don’t even know what they are saying and they just go on emotional rampages.
I found out I’m apparently a Republican terrorist because I think it would theoretically be good to have a gun if a civil war started.
I got comments telling me I’m mentally ill and need help, haha. And that I was calling action to violence. …for simply stating I think it would be useful to have a weapon during a war.
Exactly. If I could just do the revolution it would be done by now. But noooo, we need to hear everybody and agree on everything even Jeff’s stupid idea that somehow got popular.
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I think it’s something bigger. And a part of both sides. I think a lot of people haven’t seen life without their privileges and so they don’t actually know what the true reality of life is beyond their microcosms and marketed media. And until it can be admitted what reality is, which is a depressing and surreal task because reality is very dark, chaotic, and unfair, then no true honest change for humanity will come to fruition. There’s people that live outside of all nations rules and they basically own the planet. We aren’t playing by the same rules as the people that own us. These people use nations as tools, like the way inside a nation areas will be bought and sold regardless of how it affects the people… Gentrification… Etc…
I think people need to understand the state of humanity is far far darker than America’s situation. America’s situation is just a symptom of a greater problem and that problem doesn’t get fixed with politics. It seems it’s more as if organized crime owns the path of humanity. Both sides seem to be doing exactly what they want for them to do and all reactions can be beneficial for the criminals even when it looks like progress was made.
There are many factions of change. The politicians, protestors, workers… It comes down to changing our own microcosms. The first thing I think people should do is stop spending money on American industries, especially things that are extra in life, like mass pop entertainment and going out to eat or fashion. Otherwise it’s like one is paying the beast to hurt them. Many people aren’t ready to lose their privilege and make that sacrifice.
I just don’t like people.
Arming yourself and organizing are both good. You probably don’t have to wait until you’ve found people to organize with before arming yourself in the US. It’s good to have a way to defend your home during a Nazi uprising
Oh I agree completely.
Yeah cause the guns helped so much to prevent fascism in the US. Totally worth all the child sacrifices.
Watch some protest videos where the left is armed. Suddenly the police just want everyone to get along peacefully and the civilian fascists STFU.
Guns are not only for killing, they are a deterrent.
Idk man look at free speech Britain rn
Look at free speech in America! It’s OVER. We never had it in the UK. You folks did.
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How does organizing start? It’s not by people politely discussing things and making a cordial agreement to go against their own freaking government… People need to be fired up enough to want to act in such dangerous ways in the first place.
I’d bet people saying to, “grab your guns” aren’t flippantly saying, “yea, go march out in to the streets by yourself and start popping off at things you don’t like!” They’re making a general plea for people to get ready for such actual, real world organizing and effort.
This kind of flippant dismissal does less than nothing to help people organize.
I’d bet people saying to, “grab your guns” aren’t flippantly saying, “yea, go march out in to the streets by yourself and start popping off at things you don’t like!”
You must be pretty new to Lemmy.
You must be pretty new to the internet if you’re taking what they say literally. They want you to be upset enough to do it, not to literally do it this second.
At least the non-trolls, which again… Welcome to the internet.
I’ve been online since before duckroll. I know trolling when I see it, and I know malformed idealism when I see it. I’m referring to the latter.
Then it’s pretty sad you cannot tell the difference between trolls, people expressing how upset they are, and serious discussion.
I know trolling when I see it, and I know malformed idealism when I see it. I’m referring to the latter.
Just further proving my case, dumbass.
A point is certainly being proved.
Sadly I know plenty of tankies who do literally meant that, and get disappointed when people don’t.
Heck the Socialist Party of the USA Chapter I was in was lead by a guy who called Bernie Sanders a phony because he, get this, did not advocate for violence against the police… He was completely serious to and basically told everyone we were fake leftists if we voted for him in the primaries.
Guy was an absolute clown, he kicked me out when I refused to support a transphobic green party candidate who advocated for curing autism with crystals. See cause “Crystals” are “Chinese Medicine”, and “China’s literally incapable of doing anything wrong.”
Because that makes sense
Tankies are not known for their intelligence or wisdom, so that tracks.
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Maybe not about the transphobic crystals but yes on this part. Bernie is in a safer and stronger position to call for serious action than any of us non-US-Senators commenting on lemmy
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That’s exactly what they’re saying lol
It would probably help to be more literal when you’re discussing this kind of thing, if you don’t mean it the way people are taking it.
I agree, but not everyone is in a great headspace nor an English major.
No, there are some users on here that try to agitate people into suicide by cop. Not many, but a couple. It’s pretty wild.
Yes, they’re called trolls.
They’re making a general plea for people to get ready for such actual, real world organizing and effort.
Get ready! To be ready! To get ready! Cause we’re almost about to organize!
This comment should be at the top
unionize
God, unions serve such vital functions. I didn’t appreciate just how fucked things were when I read about the decline of unions when I was young. When I got older and interested in revolutionary history, it really highlights how even simple coordination between workers enables so much more than just negotiation with an employer or industry.
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Well, unionization alone isn’t enough. It’s like having a hammer and not using it.
But having a hammer is significantly better for construction work than not having one.
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Are they mostly corporate unions?
I couldn’t agree more
yyuppp. no need for guns for bettering society just yet. we will probably need to make an army defend it later though.
And there’s probably a large overlap between those random internet provocateurs, and the same assholes who stoked the ignorant and self-destructive election year trends of bOtH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe LoL aMiRiTe
Supposed “Bernie Bros” who sometimes slipped their act, like referring to a Gulf Of Mexico city as “a warm water port”, a distinction that can ONLY be in the mind of some shit russian in some shit iced-in port for the winter, getting paid in vodka and meth/kokodrill wages by the kremlin to poison minds and democracies online.
Warm water port? There is no way someone from the US would say that … most US citizens think the ocean is all the same temperature.
Supposed “Bernie Bros” who sometimes slipped their act, like referring to a Gulf Of Mexico city as “a warm water port”
That was a Texas republican that wanted Texas to secede, not a bernie bro or a Russian. He just heard somebody say you can’t be a superpower without a warm water port and thought that meant Texas is a superpower because it’s warm in Galveston.
Incredible use of the comic, I remember my mother having to explain this one to me when I was young and flipping through my Calvin and Hobbes books.
This is so true lol
I don’t think leftists are telling you to revolt before organizing. That doesn’t make any damn sense. The organizing part is prep for revolution when it finally happens. No communist is telling you to take adventurist action.
Ah yes, No True Communist. There must be an awful lot of people pretending to be communists on Lemmy then.
Look I spend a lot of time with hexbears, they are the most vocal communists on lemmy and none of them are saying this. Perhaps you have simply misunderstood them. I’ve literally never seen anyone suggest we are ready for revolution and should do one right now in a serious manner.
If you just assume no one saying that is being serious, then I see why you might feel that way.
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I don’t have to strain too hard, my wife is a brown immigrant and I recently armed myself for that exact scenario. That’s not the same as just taking to the streets in a half assed, unplanned spontaneous “revolution”.
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i don’t think anyone is advocating for that. that’s kind of a strawman.
You’re free to believe what you want, but I’ve had this conversation at least a dozen times. Yes I’ve engaged sincerely, yes I confirmed that that was precisely what they were saying. Your lack of belief does not a strawman make.
Have you ever spoke with them in good faith and asked what they mean and if they seriously believe revolution is possible under the current material conditions of the US empire? I am sure you can find someone who might say yes to this but it is in no way close to the consensus. I’ve personally never encountered it
Yes, multiple times. My post did not suggest it was the consensus.
It certainly depicts it as a norm which is where I found disagreement and honestly anyone advocating for that should be talked to and educated instead of shamed through vague posting.
Not really? It just says “the leftists I met online”, that’s a sample not consensus
And I’ve tried talking and educating, you can’t reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into. And this post isn’t for them, it’s for the Calvins out there.
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Ok, when is this planning and organising going to start to happen?
How about sharing these plans so others can see what will happen?Will these thing happen before tRUMP declares martial law and stops any more elections, or after?
If after, then will it be before he dies of the inevitable obesity induced heart attack, or after?…it’s going to be after he’s dead, isn’t it?
Have you comitted to the US General Strike? Have you joined your local SRA? Do you know the trades and skills of your neighbors? Do they know yours?
Maybe start there.
Edit: removed “next year” as they dont seem to have a set date until they are closer to the commitment goal. I must have been misinformed.
I have done nothing. I’m just not committed… I’m also not american, and don’t want to be. Hell I don’t even live on that continent. Nor want to.
I just hate the orange buffoon intensely, and want him to face some serious consequences once in his life. Just fucking once!!
Then you should be asking your representatives to divest from America. Or at the very least, you should yourself; maybe also convince family/friends to join you.
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Bro everybody is organizing have u not seen the protest everywhere we just had a no kings protest was millions involved what does that require well organization my friend
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You realize Dems are the same billionaires but I’m blue, right?
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best i can give you is fuck ICE and fuck Israel.
“support the terrorist state currently in the process of 100%ing a genocide” what the hell
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who are you
edit: I guess same person, in that case, fair enough but the comment reads like a suggestion just fyi
Same guy on a new account looks like. Voyager showing a little baby symbol <1d
It’s a troll named Antiyanks. They’ve been making accounts and getting banned for over a year now, with over a thousand accounts by now. Any new account from an instance with open signups that has an obsession with Israel and/or attacking anyone they consider “Western” can be safely reported, ridiculed and blocked as it’s nearly guaranteed to just be this one nutjob. They’ve “declared war” on Lemmy because they got banned too much and they took it personally.
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For political violence?
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I just stopped buying BP products because they are bad for the environment and they kill children
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As Americans our taxes pay for killing and we kill children. So I don’t understand why people aren’t boycotting America as a whole.
It is as if we Americans are the bad guys but no one wants to admit it and that the left and right battling is a marketed psychological path created to keep people busy from realizing this is the truth.
Maybe there’s something greater to focus on than the traditions that have kept the certain people in power. And maybe America, or even other 1st nations, aren’t a part of the other side of this rainbow so to speak.
I mean, I’m boycotting you. Me and my 40 million or so buds, eh?
In case you haven’t seen, https://crimethinc.com/zines/calvin-and-hobbes-guide-to-daily-life
Spent a great summer in the early 2000s hustling through the east coast on Phil & Friends + Gordon Russo Anastasio Benevento tour selling/trading/giving away these. I had a whole external frame backpack full of them and no other money, managed most of the tour and hopefully helped make a few more subversives.
