Material conditions. Most of us became socialists because we experienced injustice at the hands of capitalism. Hunger, homelessness, discrimination, exploitative work, colonialism, and so on. But when we become parents, if we are good parents, we protect our children from these things. They grow up well-to-do, not having to work in high school to put food on the table. They have health care, education, clothes, and a roof over their heads.
Thus, they do not experience capitalism first hand. They only reap the benefits, like many people in developed countries. Their class interests change from the class interests of their parents. Notice how Fred Hampton Jr. and Tupac Shakur remained committed leftwing ideals? Their class interests didn’t change the way Pete Buttigieg’s did. They are/were still black in a racist society living under de-facto apartheid. Pete, on the other hand, got to go to an Ivy League school and join the military.
if I ever have kids they’re 100% getting a job from 18+, before going to college
“oh that’s cruel how bourgeois of you” look I’m sorry but I feel like I fucked up college because I didn’t go to class and do homework and I think that I would have not done that if I were a few years older and knew how much a lifetime of retail or food service drudgery absolutely sucks, and I know that me telling a kid “yeah this shit sucks, waking up at 8am for class is fucking easy you loser try getting up at 5am every day to go drive 30 minutes in to a job that will never pay you what you are worth (every job)” isn’t going to result in them learning that same lesson as intimately and also $30,000 of debt to learn “dropping out of college and working really sucks” is a very expensive lesson
anybody aghast that I might call a kid a loser don’t worry, I’m not having kids
Depends on the kid. Attending university was a big step for my own intellectual development, done on my own terms and outside of the influence of my family. Certainly wasn’t a direct path to where I am today (it never is) but the neat thing about materialism is that it asserts itself like a law of nature
you’d probably be like 3 times more communistic if you worked a terrible menial or service job before going though like I bet you’d have ate up that educational material to destroy the bourgeoisie
that’s my belief at least but also I think people shouldn’t be parents and children should be in the care of trained, motivated professionals with the most research possible to back up positive childhood development because tbh it’s kinda wack that two random people with no knowledge, skills, education or qualifications can just like have a whole person to raise and mold (but nobody needs to tell me how this could be twisted for weird ass fascist eugenicist purposes, it’s still just like, weird to me, idk y’all. Like it’s even weird to have a person raise a dog when they know nothing about dog training, there are people less motivated than those dog owners who are raising entire people, it’s just…
Also thank you I had no idea Fred Hampton had a son. Jesus christ, he was born less than a month after his dad was murdered. It sounds like he was also targeted by the cops and framed for shit. It also looks like there’s a cool looking movie about his dad that he and his mom consulted for (Judas and the Black Messiah)
I’m surprised that movie even got made. They don’t white wash Hampton or what the FBI did. Then it won an academy award. I do have to question who the Academy thought was the main character, though.
In many cases it’s easily explained by the fact that those communist/socialist parents are western academics without a single revolutionary bone in their bodies.
I imagine, in the absence of good communal ties, the biggest entryway into leftist thought is egregious overstepping by capital. A leftist, in their disgust for such things, tries really hard not to transgres onto the child and so they’re not really familiar with the capitalist’s game when they start forming opinions. You can’t exactly just vote red like your father and grandfather like you can as a Republican - there was a whole lot of violence in order to take labor out of the zeitgeist
I was just thinking, “when kids rebel.”
I don’t know why communists/socialists often raise libs but it’s a pattern I’ve noticed
Material conditions. Most of us became socialists because we experienced injustice at the hands of capitalism. Hunger, homelessness, discrimination, exploitative work, colonialism, and so on. But when we become parents, if we are good parents, we protect our children from these things. They grow up well-to-do, not having to work in high school to put food on the table. They have health care, education, clothes, and a roof over their heads.
Thus, they do not experience capitalism first hand. They only reap the benefits, like many people in developed countries. Their class interests change from the class interests of their parents. Notice how Fred Hampton Jr. and Tupac Shakur remained committed leftwing ideals? Their class interests didn’t change the way Pete Buttigieg’s did. They are/were still black in a racist society living under de-facto apartheid. Pete, on the other hand, got to go to an Ivy League school and join the military.
if I ever have kids they’re 100% getting a job from 18+, before going to college
“oh that’s cruel how bourgeois of you” look I’m sorry but I feel like I fucked up college because I didn’t go to class and do homework and I think that I would have not done that if I were a few years older and knew how much a lifetime of retail or food service drudgery absolutely sucks, and I know that me telling a kid “yeah this shit sucks, waking up at 8am for class is fucking easy you loser try getting up at 5am every day to go drive 30 minutes in to a job that will never pay you what you are worth (every job)” isn’t going to result in them learning that same lesson as intimately and also $30,000 of debt to learn “dropping out of college and working really sucks” is a very expensive lesson
anybody aghast that I might call a kid a loser don’t worry, I’m not having kids
Depends on the kid. Attending university was a big step for my own intellectual development, done on my own terms and outside of the influence of my family. Certainly wasn’t a direct path to where I am today (it never is) but the neat thing about materialism is that it asserts itself like a law of nature
did you have a job beforehand though? what if you did and appreciated it EVEN MORE
Nope, straight to uni although I worked some during
you’d probably be like 3 times more communistic if you worked a terrible menial or service job before going though like I bet you’d have ate up that educational material to destroy the bourgeoisie
that’s my belief at least but also I think people shouldn’t be parents and children should be in the care of trained, motivated professionals with the most research possible to back up positive childhood development because tbh it’s kinda wack that two random people with no knowledge, skills, education or qualifications can just like have a whole person to raise and mold (but nobody needs to tell me how this could be twisted for weird ass fascist eugenicist purposes, it’s still just like, weird to me, idk y’all. Like it’s even weird to have a person raise a dog when they know nothing about dog training, there are people less motivated than those dog owners who are raising entire people, it’s just…
Also thank you I had no idea Fred Hampton had a son. Jesus christ, he was born less than a month after his dad was murdered. It sounds like he was also targeted by the cops and framed for shit. It also looks like there’s a cool looking movie about his dad that he and his mom consulted for (Judas and the Black Messiah)
I’m surprised that movie even got made. They don’t white wash Hampton or what the FBI did. Then it won an academy award. I do have to question who the Academy thought was the main character, though.
In many cases it’s easily explained by the fact that those communist/socialist parents are western academics without a single revolutionary bone in their bodies.
Yeah, my experience is that socialists/communists who are actually involved in the movement raise socialist/communist kids.
Society raises your kids as much as you do; maybe more. And society is
I imagine, in the absence of good communal ties, the biggest entryway into leftist thought is egregious overstepping by capital. A leftist, in their disgust for such things, tries really hard not to transgres onto the child and so they’re not really familiar with the capitalist’s game when they start forming opinions. You can’t exactly just vote red like your father and grandfather like you can as a Republican - there was a whole lot of violence in order to take labor out of the zeitgeist
Yep. And I’ve noticed libs raise hippies. Lol
That’s why the sprinkling of chud tendencies is important, you don’t want to just raise a lib, you need something to push them left
Liz Truss mum and dad were pro union people, not sure about anything else, look how that turned out.