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An no fan service/no upskirt/cleavage shots.
And no racist depictions.
So basically Miyazaki movies
I’m sorry sir we don’t make those
Definitely Monogatari or To Love-ru or KissxSis
I agree with the sentiment that loli shit is disgusting, but the problem is that so many of you sexless prudes go in looking for shit to be offended by and start projecting onto shit that’s fine. Like the character Kusano in Sekirei is fully gross, a disgusting pedo-bait character that simply should not exist in the story, period. That shit should absolutely be rallied against.
But then y’all bring up shit like Momo from MHA like it’s the same thing. It’s fucking not, at all. A post or near post-adolescent character wearing titillating attire in much the same way that comparable real life pop stars do is just not even remotely on the same level as actual children being depicted as sexual viable partners, especially in the context of a story like MHA where the protag is a literal high schooler expressing romantic interest in his age-appropriate peers.
And “glorifying unhealthy relationships” is fine enough critique I suppose but one that hardly applies solely, or even primarily, to manga and anime.
My brother saw Colorful and thought that was all anime lol
“Erm acturally shes canonically 100,000,000 years old, she just has the body of a 14 year old” -☝️🤓
Kino no Tabi
There’s a lot of terrible anime, but there’s also a lot of fantastic anime. There’s a lot of anime.
Just like with books. Or movies. Or videogames. It’s a medium, not a genre.
Not at all “just like.” You don’t have to wade through 90% of literary fiction or Hollywood films in order to find a handful of titles that don’t sexualize children or are otherwise fucking gross.
You do have to do that to find a handful of titles that aren’t displaying blatant racism, misogyny, homophobia and/or transphobia. So, yeah, 90% of Hollywood films are in fact fucking gross.
How does it feel to intentionally make a dishonest false equivalence that you, I, and everyone reading knows is bullshit? I’d feel weird about it, even if I didn’t have a ton of self-respect.
Vast majority of anime have sexualization of minors tho
Nah… Maybe the vast majority of what you watch but there’s so many out there spanning decades.
Astro Boy. Samurai Pizza Cats. Ergo Proxy. Ninja Scroll. Akira. Ghost in the Shell. Cowboy Bebop. Battle Angel Alita. Yowamushi Pedal.
On and on it goes…
If you’ve been keeping count, I’m curious to see your data.
I don’t get it. Is the joke that most anime sexualizes underage characters and glorifies unhealthy relationships? Because that’s decidedly not true. There are all kinds of anime shows, it’s just a bias in what gets imported into western countries.
You’ve either only seen one single anime that so happened to not feature any of that stuff, you’re actually INTO that kind of stuff and don’t want to admit it, or you’re in extreme denial.
“No Game No Life” literally introduces you to its main female character, who I believe is like 11 years old, with a panty shot.
“My Hero Academia” has Momo, who is a high schooler who consistently has to expose herself to use her quirk. (With constant heavy cleavage for her hero suit)
Look, I love anime, and there’s no shame in watching it, but you have to admit that a lot of it is pretty sexualized and moreso with children. (Don’t even get me started on that whole trope of “woman who is a million years old but actually looks like a 4 year old” )
- Barakamon
- Honey and Clover
- Shirobako
- Mushishi
- Shōwa Genroku Rakugo Shinjū
- Nodame Cantabile
- Silver Spoon
- March Comes In Like a Lion
I do agree that Japanese culture is less prude than US culture, and the age of consent has been 13 in Japan for a long time (it was raised to 16 a couple of years ago). So that will bleed into mainstream media in a way that sticks out to Americans, but not because it was the intent of the producer to make the show sexualized - it’s just what life in Japan looks like.
In a similar way, while Americans are scared of nudity, they are desensitized to violence and put way too much of it in US shows. IMO, I’d rather let my kids see nudity than someone being shot in the head. But neither is the primary reason that I watch a show.
Ehh… i don’t agree prude has anything to do with actual sexualization of children.
I am the complete opposite of prude. Always have been. I love sex and openly talk and joke about sexual things. But sexualizing children is just wrong. A panty shot of an 11 year old to entertain the viewer is not okay. As long as the character is an adult, show all the tits, ass and dick you want. Hell yeah! But not kids.
Yes, I’m not saying that that’s okay. What I’m saying is that the majority of anime produced in Japan is not like that.
Reposting from the last time this subject came up
Bolded titles are my top recs. Series listed in chronological order of my seeing them:
Steins;Gate (correction: episode 8 unfortunately has one character grope another one. Everyone rightfully calls him out for being a creepass)
Castlevania (shut up yes it is)
Vivy: Fluorite Eyes Song
Violet Evergarden (not the movie)
Hyouka (skip the ova)
Belle
A Silent Voice
Baccano
Deca-dence
Trigun
Akudama Drive
ACCA: 13 Territory Inspection Dept.
Fullmetal Alchemist
Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
Spy Family
Mushishi
5 Centimeters Per Second
Afro Samurai
Your Lie In April
Nichijou
Odd Taxi
Cowboy Bebop
Canaan
Sk8 the Infinity
Supercrooks
Bocchi the Rock
House of Five Leaves
Weathering With You
Haibane Renmei
Samurai Flamenco
BNA
Redline
Planetes
Last Exile
Witch Hunter Robin
Noir
Wolf’s Rain
Boogiepop Phantom
Boogiepop And Others
Ghost In The Shell (all timelines)
Niea_7
Serial Experiments Lain
Megalo Box
Bakumatsu Kikansetsu Irohanihoheto
Samurai Champloo
Bubblegum Crisis
Ergo Proxy
Read Or Die (OVA and The TV)
Madlax
Moribito
Xam’d: Lost Memories
Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind
Kyousougiga
Orb: On the Movements of the Earth
Cyberpunk Edgerunners
Sonny Boy
Kiki’s Delivery Service
Thus concludes the exhaustive list of animes I’ve watched where I didn’t have to put up with any sexualization of minors
How has everyone forgotten about Gundam?
I don’t even know what’s on that one page
Delicious in Dungeon, Frieren, Hands off my Eizouken, and Bocchi the Rock probably
Edited to add Spy x Family, and I suppose Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood depending on if one feels Winry is sexualized.
Don’t worry, the number of people saying Frieren is a child is astounding
Although she appears to be very young, she was born into a long-lived race of elves and has lived for over a thousand years.
Oh, that old chestnut.
Not really, she really is just an old elf lady who looks like a young adult human. There’s nothing sexualised about her, and she’s not childlike. For example here she is next to a human child who becomes her apprentice:
And here she is talking to a human priest she was adventuring with 50 years ago, he’s grown old, she hasn’t changed:
And here she is head patting him, to give him reassurance that he did well after he confides that he never felt like he figured out how to be “a grown up” and just kept faking it while growing old:
The human child is Fern, and the old Priest Heiter picked her up after she was orphaned by a demon attack. Heiter asks Frieren to keep taking care of Fern after his death, and mentor her in magic.
It’s a really nice relationship driven story with an interesting storyline and magic system.
It’s not the 1000-year-old-who-looks-8 trope, it’s the 1000-year-old-who-looks-25 trope. She’s never portrayed as anything close to childlike.
How you gonna leave out Full Metal Alchemist?
It’s a great show but Winry does wear unnecessarily revealing clothes. I guess a big deal isn’t made out of it. The one that’s a major omission is Spy X Family actually
She’s not sexualized but she wears a crop top thing. “Oh, the audacity”
She was specifically drawn that way, it’s not like it was an accident. I acknowledge in her case it’s subjective though because I can’t remember any gratuitous angles and they don’t really focus on it.
You … DO realize that kind of judgement is merely a slightly more benign version of the same misogyny as the, “look what she was wearing! She was asking for it” type of thinking, right…? You realize at least some women choose to look pretty without wanting to be oggled or abused, right?
Women with large breasts and slim frames just exist as human beings in reality, but when it’s drawn in anime it’s a choice. Having the “camera” focus on upskirt shots or side boob is a choice. Animating boob bounce is a choice. So a 15 year old depicted in micro skirts and a bandeau, that has a bath scene and a scene where she takes her top off is a choice. This is in the context of a thread talking about anime sexualizing minors. If Winry was a living, breathing girl, she could make those choices herself, in the privacy of her own life, but this is an anime character where she was specifically drawn that way in an industry that is overwhelmingly male dominated. FMA:B IS a very good show, and Winry is a real character with actual traits and a personality, but pretending that all of these design and story decisions weren’t made on purpose by people who almost certainly were adult men is naive.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aAOegc0ezGk&pp=ygUQd2lucnkgYmF0aCBzY2VuZdIHCQmNCQGHKiGM7w%3D%3D
Eh, they exist. You’ve got classics like Death Note and more recent stuff like Frieren. It’s definitely a short list though.
Sadly, Frieren justifies genocide against creatures with free will and intelligence.
Creatures with free will and intelligence who evolved those capabilities (and speech) with the sole purpose of being better at hunting humans.
Creatures with free will and intelligence who eat humans. Not because they need to eat humans, mind, they’re perfectly fine eating other things, but because they genetically like to kill and eat humans.
Creatures with free will and intelligence who are biologically incapable of feeling emotions like empathy, sympathy, guilt, or remorse. Seriously, some have spent centuries trying to learn how to feel them, and have failed.
Creatures with free will and intelligence who’ll be the first to admit that they’re better described as savage deceitful beasts, and that it’d be foolish and suicidal to trust them as far as you can throw them.
And, that said, Frieren the character advocates (with extremely good evidence backed reason) for their genocide, but the book and the authors don’t seem to do the same thing.
There’s plenty of characters that try to get along with demons, or trust them (and often pay dearly for it), and plenty of chapters where we see the demons’ point of view and can’t fail but to somewhat empathize with them, even if they’d be unable to reciprocate.
At no point do the book or the authors try to make the readers hate demons. They make us fear them, sure, but mostly they make us feel empathy and pity for them.
Hell, the fourth fan favourite character is a demon (and what a fantastic character it is).
(Granted, the third are the mimics, but still.)
Why is that sad? The depiction of demons as creatures that are incapable of empathy and exploit human compassion as an evolutionary strategy is interesting and makes for good drama and moral conflicts in the show. I’m honestly tired of the standard plot about demons just being misunderstood poor little babies that humans bully for seemingly no reason. I understand why that is a popular theme - it resonates with most of our own history after all, but it’s been done to absolute death.
They are shown to have morality and free will, so there are some who can follow and believe our morality. Every time Frieren fires first she is in the wrong.
I would also enjoy that kind of story, but then the author wanted to make demons interesting and gave them free will and morality. This is what ruins the show for me.
They do have free will but where have you seen any depiction of morality as humans understand it? You also need to understand that a characters thoughts and actions are up to your own interpretation and do not necessarily reflect the authors opinions. Even if I were to disagree with Frieren the character as strongly as you seem to, then it still wouldn’t detract from my enjoyment of the show. I don’t need my entertainment to regurgitate my own morals to me.
The morality I speak of is the one of hierarchy and magical power. The fact that they have both a moral system and free will means that they can chose to adopt another moral system. Frieren can’t know if every demon follows the same system.
you dropped this, /s
Sorry to say this, but this a genuine belief I have that makes me unable to enjoy Frieren :(
I hope that the writer solves this conundrum by either making it clear that demons don’t have free will, or make it so that Frieren doesn’t want to commit a genocide.
Frieren’s emotions on the matter are addressed in episode 7.
Episode 7 and 8
The demons acted as peace envoys.
Its turns out that was a lie to get the humans to turn off the magic force field so they could attack with their demon armies.
Frieren’s indifference to killing demons is shown to be a necessity for survival.
It can be a bit hard to wrap our heads around. Humans don’t really face natural predators anymore, so it can be tough for many of us to imagine the kill or get eaten life style.
Imagine if man-eating spiders started to talk to us, transformed to look like us and became our friends only so we’d let our guard down and open the door to the their spider army. Humans squash bugs indifferently all the time. To Frieren, demons are man-eating bugs that need squashing.
As for free will, the demons we see do seem have free will, which they use to kill humans, again its a kill or be killed world. It’s about survival, not a senseless eradication of a group of people.
Qual from ep2 seemed like a nice guy, until you remember he invited the killing spell is being executed for the mass-muder of humans, 80 years in the past.
If I, a known child killer, fails to kill a child, and that child grows up to become Hitler. I am then not justified in the murder I attempted.
As long as the demons have free will Frieren will always be in the wrong for shooting first.
If Frieren doesn’t kill the demons, the demons will kill them. The difference between child Hitler and a demon, is that Frieren knows what the demon will do in the future, just like we know what happens when you release a hungry lion in a room full of antalope.
Frieren might be shooting first in the battle, but the demons shot first in the war.
The demons use human sympathy to gain trust and it works. You feel for them, you want to protect them, may even be attracted to them, and give them a chance and that’s their whole stick. They’re just hungry lions that transformed to look like their prey.
Hitler, and the Nazis, had believed that certain groups of people were inferior and a that only a superior race should exist. So what did the rest of the world do? Those that could fight, fought back to survive and protect those that couldn’t.
If we’re going to compare roles; Demon king is Hitler, demons are the Nazi forces, Frieren and her party are the allied forces. In the show Frieren is defeating the remnants of an active terrorist cell following in the footsteps of the demon king/Hitler.
If you try to put Frieren in the Hitler role, it doesnt make sense. She doesn’t go from town to town murdering anything that’s not an elf. She’s not gaining followers to take over the kingdoms.
You could call Frieren racist towards demons; but if a group murdered your entire village, and you watch them do it to countless others over a thousand years, never meeting a “nice” demon, you’d provably learn to shoot first too.
Full Metal Alchemist brotherhood, maybe.
Winry is kinda sexualised, but only mildly, and not often
Just the one weird bathtub scene.
Well, and that time she almost accidentally flashes Ed, but they’re practically dating by that point, they just haven’t come to terms with it yet.
How you got this many replies without a single mention of Cowboy Bebop is beyond me.
I love Cowboy Bebop but that series is one giant unhealthy relationship.
madoka is great too but same problem lmao
Would Friren count? Romance of the two teens are age appropriate for them. And two dudes that are enamoured with older women, but I think that’s it.
I’m waiting for the canonical reason why the female elves look like children while the one male elf we’ve met is drawn like a grown man. And I really hope it’s not that their brain outpaces their body because then we’re in the “5000 year old witch in a child’s body” trope.
If this is addressed in the manga, no spoilers plz beyond a simple “Yes, it is.”
The issue is we’ve encountered so few elves that it’s impossible to say really anything about them as a whole. Maybe that is just how female elves look, maybe frieren and serie are just weird, or something else. But either way, we’re basically just going on what little we’ve been shown which could change later.
Personally though, I don’t actually mind the 1000 years old but looks like a child trope if it’s not using it as an excuse to sexualuzed the character. Which they really aren’t doing here.
And on the other hand, I also don’t think Frieren looks like a kid. This is pretty common, I’ll see people point out a character who’s a bit short and sometimes flat (though that’s not always the case even) and say that they look like a kid while I don’t see it. So I don’t know if it’s me or what. Serie does look more like a kid to me though.
But we get back to the fact that she’s not being sexualuzed anyway, so again, I don’t personally take issue with it.
Anime doesn’t sexualise underage people, because until the 2023 age of consent in Japan was 13. It’s 16 now, so for American prudes it’s still underage. Just don’t forget that in most of the world the age of consent is much much lower than in the US.
And if anything, this meme is a cultural appropriation as the American view is being pushed on another culture. If you don’t want to learn about and accept foreign culture - watch Marvell movies instead.
Starts reading: oh yeah this is gonna be a funi comment about how fucked up the world is
Continues reading: turns out its just some fucked up rant about how “different cultures” justify horrible acts
If you’re a prude then yes. If you’re a normal human - no.
I swear, anime fans can’t keep getting away with their soft-pedophilia.
That’s kind of why they are anime fans
But Australia has increased import scrutiny on hentai so that’s a plus
this is a really stupid, ignorant take.
Anime is fine. It’s just anime fans that are absolutely insufferable
Ehhh, anime fans aren’t responsible for the production of dubious content. I think it’s safe to put blame on the creators too.
You know what honestly I couldn’t give a less fuck what some people create. But you choose to consume it. This is the real blame.
I prefer it when a greater proportion of the media available to me is also media I would like to consume. I choose not to consume dubious stuff that I don’t like.
You already consumed it just by merely looking, you have already contributed to the moral failure.
I actually plan to launch a new startup that will sell a selective consumption glasses. They are pretty ingenious, they work by darkening your vision when the camera detects danger such as wrongthink. I will let you know as soon as we are up as one of the first to be contacted with an exclusive deal.
You will be able to block anything IRL just type your keywords in app and it will detect and shelter you from anything that could make you uncomfortable.
We have thousands of orders from people that are tired of gay people being visible and then hundreds from some leftists that had muscle cramps from clutching their pearls every ten seconds.
Congrats, you are pedantically correct insofar as such things have indeed graced my eyes. But you missed my meaning entirely.
I don’t make mistakes, I’m not like the rest of you, I’m stronger, I’m smarter, I’m better, I AM BETTER. I’m not some weak kneed fucking crybaby that goes around fucking apolgizing all the time and why the fuck would you want me to be? All my life people have tried to control me, rich people, powerful people, tried to muzzle me, cancel me, keep me impotent and obedient like I’m a fucking puppet. And you know what it worked, Because I allowed it to work and guess what, If they can control me they can control you, they already do you just realize it. I am done, I am done apolgizing, I am done being persecuted for my strength, You should be thanking christ that I am who I am, because you need me, you need me to save you, You Do, I am the only one who possibly can. You’re not the real heroes, I am the real hero, I am the real hero
The projection from your comments is hilarious.
I don’t know if the projection is how it is called but I am sure they are hilarious.
I desperately hope you are ESL with all the assinine takes.
I find that if you want good anime recommendations, the recommendation must come from someone that doesn’t like anime. Anime fans tend to be really out of touch with certain baselines… like not being an open pervert.(I’ve seen that hentai hoodie, don’t lie.) Also people who don’t like anime can distinguish between “good for an anime” and “good”.
So I offer mine: Cyberpunk Edgerunners and Spirited Away.
Silent voice, your name, weathering with you
and everything from studio ghibli obviously (I personally love porco rosso)
I honestly only look this kind. The rest is just bad and tries to cache it with fanservice.
