I support giving users the choice between AI and non-AI services and products.
But workers protesting the use of AI in their industries are dumb in my opinion.
AI is going to change a lot of industries forever and there is almost nothing workers and unions can do currently to actually stop the progress.
I even had seen some worker unions who are protesting AI use, accept working with companies that use AI and I support them, Because they won’t be taken seriously if they did not do that.
In short: I think workers should protest workers conditions and wages, rather than protesting technology.
AI adaptation is inevitable.
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Protesting the technology used in the workplace and the company is protesting workplace conditions, dingus.
Jobs being made obsolete by new technology is one thing.
Artists having their works taken and profited off of without consent, attribution, or compensation is another.
Your argument is “protesting is dumb because it’s going to happen anyway” which, historically, has been a bad position to hold.
I don’t know the nuances in the situation but if AI were learning on artists work then putting those artists out of business, I can understand why they might want some regulation or restriction in place.
My dude, don’t put words in my mouth.
I said Protesting AI is dumb , not all protesting is dumb.
Also, when did protesting AI had actually worked to achieve real improvement?
“I didn’t say protesting was dumb, I said protesting this was dumb”.
Got it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Writers_Guild_of_America_strike
and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_Intelligence_Act included public discourse.
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As you said, it ain’t easy. You wanted an example and I gave one of the major real-world ones. The strike had quite an impact and there’s a lot of different things involved. Your article talks about it. Things went up to the supreme court. Contracts have been changed, amended, and rules put in place. Shows were delayed or even cancelled. But it wasn’t winnig “the war”.
I’m not sure if some people are under the impression that workers rights or freedom is a one-time thing and then it’s settled and alright… Because it’s really not. This is a constant fight. We’ve been fighting it since the 1700s or so and it won’t ever be over. The moment you stop resisting, someone is going to take your freedom away. And it’s an everlasting struggle, for everyone. And so for the writers. They’ve tried to resist and immediately they’re threatened again.
It’s the same for everyone. Delivery drivers might have been somewhat okay. Then Amazon got invented and they had to pee into bottles to keep up. I’m not sure if that has been settled. Then Uber and food delivery came and they’re all subcontractors and severely struggle with that. And tomorrow someone else is going to make their lives hard.
Fighting for privacy is the same thing. The moment we have some small victory, they try to push (for example) for internet surveillance a different way and it starts again. You decide if you want to fight or accept it.
And philosophy hasn’t settled this either, so yo can’t say it’s dumb. Some people say you have to stand your ground. Fight for your ideals and morals. For who you are or what you stive for. No matter if chances are slim. Some are pushovers. Some people need to pick their fights. And there are other opinions out there. But just that something sems inevitable, doesn’t mean resistance is dumb per se. But I’ll wholeheartedlyagree that some forms of fighting it are dumb, and people won’t succeed with that.
Wow, this is truly unpopular.
In short: I think workers should protest workers conditions and wages, rather than protesting technology.
They are protesting working conditions when the tech companies stole all of their art without their permission, aren’t paying them and now claiming it as their own. All while putting the beginning artists out of business.
List every artist they used for training for every picture and then compensate them, just like we do for music. The artists in music are paid even if it’s a sample.
True, this new tech is not going anywhere. And it is really amazing for certain applications. But the reason that AI is so good and looks the way it does is because it was trained on human made art. If it ends up putting most of these artists out of business, it would be a real shame not just for the artists and not just for all of us collectively, but it would be bad for AI as well.
AI is derivative by definition. We like our art to feel like it is fresh and relevant. Who will do that if all the artists go out of business because of AI? AI will only ever look basically how it is now until it’s trained on new art. That’s why it is important to have the conversation of compensating these artists. AI is generating a lot of money, and giving nothing to the artists and communities that they trained their models on. And if these communities are decimated by AI now, then these companies have killed the thing that they built their success on, and will have a hard time continuing to innovate without it.
Now, personally I don’t think there is a risk of AI “killing” the art industry. Artists don’t just make art to make money. There is value in the time taken. It is a good feeling to actually create something. And it’s a great feeling to share that with others and feel like there’s a small connection made between the artist and someone who likes what they made. That will never be replaced.
However, there is a risk of making many artist’s lives, particularly digital artist’s, harder than they already are. I think that might be what you are trying to get at. Don’t just protest the new scary technology, protest the reason why you are struggling. And that is a really complicated problem and it’s easier to just say AI bad. But we do need to support our artists, and dismissing their concerns without trying to understand where they are coming from is not helpful.
AI in its current form (LLMs) is usually just a way to make errors faster. Outside of a few very specific use cases it does nothing to address any of the issues we have as societies. In fact, it creates new ones by making companies even more dependent on silicon valley-style companies.
2 things: AI is wider than LLMs and if you were even remotely correct then artists and writers would not protest it at all.
Just because it’s considerably worse than the work of human artists and writers doesn’t mean companies aren’t going to use it, they’re just going to lower the quality of their products.
AI in the strict sense doesn’t exist yet.
they’re just going to lower the quality of their products.
Great, you as user of the service/ product can make your choice to not deal with companies that use AI.
The rest of users can enjoy more choices as they might simply prefer AI.
AI in the strict sense doesn’t exist yet.
WTF?
WTF?
‘artificial intelligence’ (machine learning models) isn’t truly intelligent right now, it cannot reason - it’s all just pattern recognition.
Great, you as user of the service/ product can make your choice to not deal with companies that use AI.
Sure, if there actually was a choice. The way things are currently going, you won’t have a choice because everyone is jumping on that train to shitsville.
What if you lose your job because of AI?
That’s a completely societal issue that is separate from AI. It just so happens AI has the potential to be one of the many reasons people are at risk of losing their job.
The real issue there is that “losing your job” will equate with “losing access to necessities”.
AI is going to change a lot of industries forever and there is almost nothing workers and unions can do currently to actually stop the progress.
Probably true.
But protesting things we disagree with is still a good thing to do.
I mean AI has an impact on the workplace. And on workers and human labour. So I think it is core business for unions. But I get what you say. It’s difficult. I still think it’s warranted to go on a writers guild strike like in Hollywood. Or be pissed if you’re a freelancer doing art or design.
Also that’s exactly what unions are about. Imagine assembly line work. And people advocating that it needs some rules. And a bathroom break. We regularly complain about technology at the workplace?!
You guys are downvoting this unpopular opinion on a community meant for unpopular opinions meaning you actually support this opinion and think its popular
AI is going to change a lot of industries forever and there is almost nothing workers and unions can do currently to actually stop the progress. […] I think workers should protest workers conditions and wages, rather than protesting technology.
That’s not an opinion, that’s a claim of fact followed by a recommendation to drop the issue altogether based on the previous claim. They are just disguising that claim as an opinion by using casual rhetoric. It’s a bullshit post meant to detract against workplace unionizing and worker activism for control over the industry in which they labor.
Why are people downvoting an unpopular opinion in this community?
