Those who cheered on the latter murder should now be examining their consciences.
The historical record is very clear: in politics, violence begets violence. This story is only beginning and it may not end well for America.
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Apples and Oranges mate. Such a shortsighted view to boil down all of the nuances behind the systemic reasons that people engage in political violence down to just “violence begets violence”.
The right-wing assassin is a direct result of the Republican’s brand of vitriolic, jingoist rhetoric that tries to convince its cult that the country is “being invaded by evil foreigners”. Not because of the death of one CEO. His murder wasn’t anything special other than it got an exaggerated amount of media coverage because he was rich.
Either way, America has been on this course for far, far longer then Luigi has even been alive. His alleged actions did not cause this. This story isn’t “just beginning”, it began almost a century ago and is now reaching its climax.
And, just for the record, I still proudly cheer for the death of scum like that insurance CEO. He deserved so much worse than the quick death he was given. Who did commit the act is a hero for the people.
Hard pass. Dude was a far right extremist judging by his views who was radicalized into ending a political opponent for “his team” while the other was due to the crushing pressure of the uncaring and unhelpful health care industry. Completely different and I award you no points.
Yeah, but OP thinks they’re very clever
I don’t think you understand OP’s point. They aren’t saying that the motivations are equally valid, they are saying that political violence of any kind will always escalate into further and wider violence.
Luigi’s violence was not political. Full stop.
Bud, literally all of society is political.
Politics is just “group decision making”. If it involves a group of people acting collectively to make decisions about something, then it’s political.
If it is perceived as political by a faction, then it is political.
FYI, saying “full stop” out loud doesn’t automatically make a statement true.
It is factually not political. This isn’t about politics in any way. Thats propaganda that has made you think it is. Everyone deserves healthcare. Nobody deserves to be squeezed like a nearly empty roll of toothpaste in their times of need.
Likewise, you claiming some people perceived it as political also doesnt make your statement true.
C’mon man, sure you can use a specific semantic definition of “political” to make your point, but in the real world politics bleeds into almost everything.
The healthcare system in the US is incredibly political, through direct government policy but also the government’s influence on capitalist systems that drive profit over people.
But also, the people who “cheered” Luigi’s actions are generally seen as left aligned politically, its viewed in the broader context of anti-capitalism. So if right wingers see what they believe to be leftists assassinating capitalists, many of them are going to view it as a political act. It doesn’t matter that you don’t agree with their assessment, and it doesn’t matter what Luigi’s original intent was, if that’s how they see it.
There seems to be some kind of difference in the meaning of “political”.
I offer the definition from the Oxford Dictionary:
adjective
relating to the government or public affairs of a country.
The idea that everyone deserves healthcare is itself political, it pertains to how a country should be run. It is also not a universal view; many people disagree that people do in fact deserve healthcare.
Luigi Mangione’s act was indeed very political. It is an eruption of the view that all people in the USA deserve healthcare and that the private system is depriving people of this right.
then what was it? was he trying to make a point of some sort? the whole deny, depose, ect writen on the bullet casings?
was it simple murder? because if so I doubt he would’ve written a manifesto about it
Can you show me where his actions supported a particular party? Affordable healthcare is not a political party.
physically fighting against and killing a member of a large power structure like this is a political act. There doesn’t need to be an organized political party on the other end of this for it to be political
for example, the 2020 BLM protests, were those political acts? what political party did they support?
Last week’s assassination of Minnesota’s Democrat former House Speaker was the logical sequel to that of the United Healthcare CEO
I don’t disagree with your conclusions about cheering on violence and what it begets, but I will just point out that if you’re going by the sequel logic then the shooting of Brian Thompson was the 5th movie in the series, with the first four being assassinated Democrat state representatives.
It also ignores the literal hundreds of movies and documentaries that have been made where American Insurance companies kills thousands and cause enormous amounts of suffering, just so that they can turn an even higher profit.
I still don’t agree with political assassination, but starting the narrative with the assassination of Brian Thompson is pretty arbitrary if the storyline is so broad that this is the sequel.
Nothing you say contradicts my point. Answering political questions with violence is a road that leads directly to civil war, wherever the road starts. This finding is about as reproducible as findings come in political science. And it’s what the assassination-cheerleaders (in this community and others) do not want to engage with.
Yeah I do agree with your overall point.
road that leads directly to civil war
I highly doubt its going to lead to that. The vast majority people are too lazy to fight for anything and would much rather stare at their phones all day. And every sane person knows war is hell so they don’t want that.
This sounds great in a general handwavey sort of way except for the fact that (at least to my knowledge) there’s no evidence tying the alleged Minnesota assassin’s motive in any way to the death of Brian Thompson.
He does appear to consider women’s healthcare a form of “violence”, however. Should we examine our consciences and outlaw women’s healthcare in case people like this take offense and start a civil war?
We can wring our hands and try to find ways to make everything our own fault or we can accept that anyone under enough pressure can become violent, regardless of whether they believe themselves to have righteous intentions when they do it.
Should we examine our consciences and outlaw women’s healthcare in case people like this take offense and start a civil war?
This seems like a super confused take. Are you saying that killing healthcare CEOs shouldn’t be illegal?!
Not sure where you’re pulling that from. Neither the original post nor my response said anything about legality. OP said these assassinations were the “logical sequel” to the CEO attack, without any evidence the two are directly related at all.
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Those who cheered on the latter murder should now be examining their consciences.
30% (or more) of Lemmy is basically like “authoritarianism, murder, assassination, and political violence are bad unless it’s my side doing it” with a smattering of “Everyone must know of our peaceful ways…by violence if necessary”. The hypocrisy on display from those people is staggering.
Like, seriously, a non-insignificant chunk of the demographic here just makes me fucking sick.
political voilence causes more political voilence
I think that’s kinda true, but I don’t like the way you phrased it
It is very shortsighted phrasing that only serves to tell people that we shouldn’t engage in violence for the sake of self defense because “it just makes more violence”.
When in reality, it is just a way to tell people to sit down and accept the violence being committed against them by the system as normal and that rising up against it is somehow an immoral act.
Nobody’s cheering a CEO murder, they’re cheering a symbolic win AGAINST the health insurance industry, which preys on poor Americans.
And nobody’s cheering a Democrat politician murder, they’re cheering a symbolic win FOR the party that preys on poor Americans.
Distinction without a difference. People are even cheering the death of a british billionaire who was killed by a bee, which has no symbolic value at all.
Are they also cheering the death of poor people who get killed by bees?
Nobody’s cheering a CEO murder
half of Lemmy is. I’m not part of that half
And nobody’s cheering a Democrat politician murder
yes, actually some people are, can you believe that? crazy world
Can you try to understand what I said.
yeah I understand it
its just that the absolutes you used when saying ‘nobody’ kinda missed a lot, like the tankies on .ml praying to Luigi and the proud boys or whatever cheering for the death of those democrats
Can you read it slower, read it together with a buddy or something
you know now you’re just being a nuisance
if you care so much about me understanding something different than what you wrote then go say what it is
