Lying bitch will only know truth when it strikes her down
And then she promptly went to hide up her own ass
He ceased to be an American citizen the moment he was deported.
The United States invaded Panama in mid-December 1989 during the presidency of George H. W. Bush. The purpose of the invasion was to depose the de facto ruler of Panama, General Manuel Noriega, who was wanted by U.S. authorities for racketeering and drug trafficking. The operation, codenamed Operation Just Cause, concluded in late January 1990 with the surrender of Noriega.[9] The Panama Defense Forces (PDF) were dissolved, and President-elect Guillermo Endara was sworn into office
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Panama
i get this kind of thing might ruffle some true patriots, and yeh no shit Noam would lie about this shit, but I will struggle to feel bad about veterans
Noriega was also a School of America’s, aka School for Dictators, graduate.
I struggle with this. I hesitate on both sides. “Just following orders” isn’t enough of a defense to justify some seriously bad shit that any reasonable person would stop and go “are we the bad guys?” over. For big picture stuff, the individuals in the military wouldn’t have the entire context of what’s happening, they would just be given orders and expected to go and do.
So on one hand, I understand the “just following orders” defence, on the other, I don’t think that’s an excuse for doing shitty things to people, especially non-combatants/civilians/whatever.
Operational ignorance only accounts for so much.
I don’t want to blame veterans for what happened, but I also don’t think they’re innocent in all of it because they were “just following orders”…
It’s definitely something that I’m split on. Either way, veterans, at the very least, deserve to be taken care of and given a certain amount of respect for their work and, in many cases, sacrifices, so that we can enjoy a relatively peaceful and free existence.
And my feelings on this don’t change based on what military someone served in. This applies to all veterans. Thank you for your service, I sure hope you’re not guilty of war crimes regardless of if you were “just following orders” or not.
he should have thought twice about being a minority.
This is NOT and will NOT be shown on the news. They are ALL complicit and working for the 1000 billionaires. They all need to go.
Not that I don’t agree, but It’s literally a screenshot of a CNN broadcast
Plus it’s on the MeidasTouch Network. You can always rely on them to expose every little fuckup the regime makes even if corpo news won’t.
And MeidasTouch is by no means small. In terms of viewership numbers, they’re far larger than any cable network at this point, even if you only look at their YT numbers.
You guys all sound like a bunch of bots. MeidasTouch gets like 200k views per video, how is that higher than any cable news network?
Because they put out a ton of content and no one watches cable news anymore?
I’m literally just going off these numbers here for their views and what AdWeek reports for the various cable networks
That view count doesn’t really mean much when it isn’t unique viewers. They upload 15+ videos a day, so a single person can give them a ton of views.
And “no one watches cable news anymore” is a crazy statement. Younger people don’t tend to, but most peoples parents still do unfortunately.
I agree, every barber/auto shop I step into has a TV tuned to Fox. We might not watch it but someone definitely is.
CNN is owned by a billionaire Trump donor. GYHOOYA. That’s not the news. Talking about cbs abc nbc fox. This was a live hearing no one was watching and that will be a blip on the nightly news.
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I hate pooping, it’s not fun in any way.
wha…
are people high when they post these comments or…!!!
I think it’s just supposed to be a poem for your sprog.
ok
What a fucking easy copout to hand her “will you at least consider looking at the case?”
No dude. Have her commit while you’ve got fire on her feet. Am I the only person left with common sense
If she looks at the case and frees these people, it’s an admission of guilt. If she doesn’t do anything, she was made aware of the issue before congress and will look even worse later on.
The court of public opinion is all we have left, and that means very little these days
Agreed, enough with this archaic sense of decorum. The ruling party has not shown decorum in ages. Blast them, make them answer to their faults.
We really should start going for the throat, especially with Democrats. They keep doing shit like this, we bombard them and let them know the second we can, we’re going to primary their asses. It has to stop.
Every single asshole enabling this bullshit needs to be primaried.
What are you talking about? The DHS secretary isn’t an elected position.
I’m referring to Democrats voting with the Nazis…if elected are not openly demanding our rights they need to be primaried so fuckwits like the DHS sectary are impeached and removed… Also DHS secretary is not immune from prosecution for breaking laws.
Preach
They need to start demanding these people be held, charged etc for bald faced lies to congress.
a reminder that people will perjure themselves in open court and there’s no actual recourse
It’s crazy to me that large scale riots haven’t already corrected this several times over
I think he wants the “radical left” burning their own cities so he can instate martial law. It’s a win win for Trump, and he doesn’t care about anyone else, so he will continue to sleep like a baby – at cabinet meetings.
Unfortunately, the powers that be learned from the Civil Rights movement and have spent the decades since defanging any potential power the populace could use against them.
Destroy education. Saddle people with extreme debt. Remove any form of community support and organizational structure. They’ve had decades of practice. Hell, you could say it started in the Cold War with the attacks on unions and add in companies divesting the cost of retirement onto the employees and their stock portfolios that reinvest their wages right back into the company.
Yep. Not a coincidence that unions are all but non-existent these days compared to decades ago
We tried. They fight back with helicopters and guns.
Yeah like holy shit, one fucking case. I mean if it makes a difference for him that’s great, but we really need way fucking more.
Lesson learned. Now they’ll strip people of their American citizenship before deporting them to a random country.
You don’t actually have to be a citizen to join the US military. Permanent Residents (Green Card holders) are eligible to serve. They are also required to register for Selective Service and can be drafted.
Back on the day, green card holders had to register for selective service as well. So it could be obligated instead of eligible if the reinstituted the draft.
There’s one part I don’t understand: do green card holders have to register for selective service?
They did back in early 80s.
Ok but still a bit unclear on whether green card holders have ever had to register for selective service
When Trumps officials are out of office. I call game on. Have at it. Get your retribution. Get out the whip cream pies. And pie these people everywhere they go.
Oh my sweet summer child. That’s not how authoritarianism works.
They will do everything in order to remain in power. And as 2025 has already shown, there is no one to stop them. The only condition they will step out of the power is a guarantee that the successor will preserve everything they’ve got during the reign.
Then there will be a civil war.
Not until a LOT more people have died. We have super circuses now that will make people forget about the bread
Bro…
Brother.
i think we should torture and kill them, but thats just me wanting them to experience what they have done to thousands of people with the intent to do it to millions more.
Absolutely not, rehabilitation is still the humane way to treat others. Torture begets torture, just like you proposed it, the ones you torture will propose against you. We’re educated enough to break the cycle.
Pacifism is for pussies. Have fun being oppressed, I guess?
False equivalence, not wanting to torture isn’t pacifism. Nor would it make you a pussy. How old are you?
I don’t think we should kill them, we should imprison, even punish with emphasis rehabilitation, but we cannot just extinct this threat through more violence.
We can only destroy this behavior by ingraining its unacceptability throughout our cultures. Why it’s wrong to think this way or do this thing.
Otherwise we are just killing peoples relatives that will then turn around and say we killed so and so to them and this group is evil for X and Y.
Execute the ringleaders in a humane but public way. Imprison the second tier and strip them of property and power. Use positive incentives against those behaviors on the general public. Fast total reversal of course.
Heads on spikes is an historic example of projecting unacceptability.
Good point, gotta kill any of the relatives too (who agree with the bad guys).
I hear that and understand the feelings. I just think these people would have breakdowns if people started pieing them like we did in the 90’s. They can’t take that kind of dent to their ego
Fine. You can pie them before we send them to the black site.
Can you waterboard someone with a pie?
I’m not sure but I like your willingness to compromise.
Sounds unapologetically american, so why not?
Appleboarding
That’s where you’re forced to use apple products? No thanks, I’ll tell you anything you need to know
Hang them by their toes. When it seems like they might actually rip off, hang them under their arm pits. During the healing process, razor blades under their toenails and fingernails. Also, using razor blades to gently slice just a little into the toes and fingers.
As a treat.
This reads like the last page of a Tarantino script. Grow up.
I have grown up, and I fucking hate these fucking fascists.
Do you hate these fucking fascists?
Shame on you :(
I read this as:
When Trumps officials are out of jail ….
And thought man that would be nice
Argue that it could have been acid when they try to prosecute you for throwing a pie.
Oh snap, was this real? Links to video/article?
Predictably it had no effect on Noem.
why would it? She faces no real consequences.
If there’s any lesson to be taken from Trump’s history, it’s that he will eventually turn on you when you become a liability and you’ll ot only lose protection, but become a target.
Remember that in 2016 Comey was on his favorite-people list, and stayed there until he stopped being useful. His VP was a loyal, loved ally until he sent a mob after hislm. MTG was a favorite until just a few months ago, and over the course of a weekend he turned on her so hard she had to hire security and resign from the House.
I think Hegseth and Kennedy are the highest-profile stooges most-likely to be discarded soon.
First reaction was to blame him for doing drugs 14 years ago. Disgusting.
Omg a combat vet that has tried drugs? Unimaginable
I’m surprised they didn’t scour social media to find a picture of him in a compromising image to use in referring to him like they do with PoC shot by police.
Nothing has any effect on retarded republicans
retarded republicans
Redundant
In the future it will be redundant. Just like how we see the word Nazi of the past. But in current times most voters don’t realize they got scammed
#BigWoof. That’s hella.
I have no concrete idea what that means, but thank you I think?
Primarily commenting how scathing a come back that was. If I was Noem, I’d be too embarrassed to show my face in public for a while.
The secret ingredient to fascists is no shame.
Trash like her have no shame. Its how they can do what they do. They lack shame because they lack empathy.
She’s technically not showing her own face anymore.
Maybe why she got the mar a lago face. Probably can’t feel bad for what you’re doing if you don’t recognize the face in the mirror
Also too paralyzed to show emotion when confronted with uncomfortable facts. They just get the doc to fix it in angry mode like Gaetz.
Careful saying “woof” anywhere in the vicinity of Noem lest she think you’re a dog to shoot.
Thank you for sharing a link that’s not on Xitter. As much as I dislike youtube, Xitter bothers me even more.
Man fuck shorts, trying to skip through the video and it closed
You can replace the “short/” for “watch?v=” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhSI9MLr1WQ
For another website trick, just put “cancel” after any Twitter addresses to avoid making an account of the media you seek is found on Twitter. Instead of “x.com” followed by the nonsense afterward, use “xcancel.com” while leaving the rest of the address the same.
I wish lemmy instances would consider doing a URL auto-rewrite for x.com -> xcancel.com in general.
You can just install the ‘Redirector’ extension in your Firefox. And I’m guessing Libredirect also does this by default, among other redirects.
This guy wasn’t even the first one I could think of off the top of my head. Obviously, this psycho has no idea what’s going on.
Oh they know, but the strategy is to always say what sounds good and trust in their base to believe them.
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
She knows.
I’m not willing to give them the benefit of the doubt or allow them to claim ignorance anymore. This is willful and malicious.
Gottem! Democracy is saved because you had a snappy comeback to the people that feel no shame for being scum-sucking troglodytes.
Is Mr Park allowed to return home yet? Or are we using veterans to score moral points against the devil?
Or are we using veterans to score moral points against the devil?
Maybe we’re using a tangible example to attack the fascist narrative that got that veteran deported, so others don’t suffer the same fate?
What do you want them to do? They are journalists, they can only show you that these people are horrible.
It’s up to the citizens of their country to drop whatever bullshit reasons they have for not acting like adults and voting to prevent these kinds of people from getting power. Even if that means voting for a different party than your parents. Even if that means voting for whatever your perfect paragon of a politician is supposed to be. Even if that means you’re not taking whatever “principled” stand some internet bullshit has convinced you is important. Even if that means admitting you were wrong for voting for these assholes or not voting at all in previous elections.
It’s not the journalists that put these people into power, it’s apathy that got them there. Showing people like Kristi Noem they are horrible isn’t going to change them, but it might make the average citizen realize that maybe they need to stop sitting around blaming others for how bad things are and actually get past their own bullshit and put a stop to it.
There is no choice when voting. The only options are capitalist monsters. Voting won’t fix anything, and doing it is masturbatory.
You’re too busy going on the internet and masturbating over how great you are because you have “principles” to go vote. You’re part of the reason why Kristi Noem is running Homeland Security. Some really good principles you got there LOL.
Yup. And the alternative would have been better and we would all be living large. Blind.
Sure… keep telling yourself that Kamala Harris would’ve made Kristi Noem the Secretary of Homeland Security. How dedicated are you to this fiction? Is there any line Trump could cross where you’d think “Hmmm… I don’t think Harris would’ve done that”?
A rose by any other name. Keep up the good fight there, useful idiot.
are we using veterans to score moral points
“Thank you for your service”
It’s always the second one.
Are you a person who eats so many tacos they need help not eating tacos or are you a shady nameless figure who is secretly just a bunch of tacos in a trench coat?
The vibes, I guess.
This legit felt like an episode of Maury.
at least they deported an actual murderer this time, instead of just hard working immigrants.
ffs… being a veteran doesn’t make someone a murder… fucking .ml brainrots.
If you were Panamanian I don’t think you’d have much trouble calling the men who came and killed innocent civilians in 1989 a murderer. That being the case, can you say objectively that this person isn’t a murderer or at least took part in mass murder?
can you objectively say that he is?
We can criticize the American government for its actions. And you can criticize the actions of individual soldiers when they provably have committed crimes. But making the generalization fallacy to say “Some people committed crimes, therefor all of them did”, with no further scrutiny shows a massive gap in critical thought
And it’s different from saying something like “ACAB” because police (especially police unions) KNOW about abuses, personally and still chose to cover it up. Meaning, they have witnessed or know of corrupt actions and still protect their own or make excuses for it. More importantly, police enjoy special power and privileges in their local communities and so it’s in their self interest to perpetuate and cover the abuses.
Yes I can objectively say that he was involved in mass murder. Could you please explain how the killing of hundreds of civilians, unprovoked and without warning, doesn’t constitute murder? Judged as a “flagrant violation of international law” by the UN, Bush disgustingly claimed that Panama had declared a state of war against the US, even though what really happened is that Panama declared that US had already invoked war against Panama through psychological and military harrassment (which was accurate). And then sent thousands of soldiers to invade and ultimately kill innocent civilians.
I’m not saying this individual chose to personally kill these people. But was he involved? By his own admission, yes.
I’m not saying this individual chose to personally kill these people. But was he involved?
So… by your own admission, you can’t “objectively” say he did those things… you’re speculating and assuming.
You originally claimed it as though it was an objective fact that he, personally, was a murderer… and now you’ve edited and moved the goal posts to “took part in” and then you moved it back further with “involved”. What’s next? “Associated with”? “Served with”?
None of this is “objective”, by definition. A definition in which you keep changing. So, we’re done, you’re wrong and I’m not arguing with a bad faith zealot who keeps weaseling their words to justify their illogical contempt.
True, they also raped a lot of people.
Being a combat veteran of multiple engagements within a foreign nation almost certainly means he committed or attempted pre-meditated, intentional, cold-blooded homicide. The word for that is murder. Having state sanction doesn’t make it not murder. The things you do still reflect on you.
You know, at first I didn’t agree with you, then I read your post again and thought I agree, then I thought some more and went back and forth before finally deciding to not engage.
However, please stop seeing things in black and white and having arguments over it. Increased polarisation and ‘us vs them’ mentality in society can only lead to more violence.
There are some hard bright lines and murder is one of them. It’s one that I’ve been dismayed many progressive have in recent times decided they could overlook, if the right people suffer, if the right ends are advanced through the means of a human life. Please stop trying to obscure this line.
I’m not saying murder is fine. I just can’t agree that your generalization is true. There are many different ways to end up in armed forces and be forced to kill other people.
If a person has been in that situation, we can’t just assign them into a “murderer” group and try to placate them for everything that is going wrong. That is how we got to the current far-right ‘conservative’ support rise in almost every country. Instead, we should approach those people and try to educate them on how they were wronged by the current state of affairs. Then, together, we have a chance to make things better.
I’m pretty sure that if you ask, 99% of veterans won’t tell you that they enjoyed murdering people or think that that is ok. Usually they become very sad and/or exhibit PTSD symptoms.
more relevant, the overwhelming majority of veterans are in non combat roles. Like overwhelmingly so. Most military jobs are for things like technicians, mechanics, electricians, IT, healthcare, admin, etc etc etc etc. Like, every Navy vessel you see… 95% of the people there just keep the boat afloat and systems operating. They’re not even involved in the weapons systems, and the ones that are are not personally gunning down civilians in the streets…
So to flippantly regard all military and veterans as “murderers” is insane.
It shocks me that even in a progressive place like this, Americans still think that murder isn’t murder when a soldier does it. Like the Baby Jesus blesses everything a soldier does for their Holy America and makes it magically righteous and not even a little bit murdery.
I can see how you might think that. for the Americans, he is a hero. for the people he fought against and killed, he is not a hero. the families of the people still cherish their loved ones and either side either fought or died for each country.
