ratboy [they/them]

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Cake day: August 17th, 2023

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  • Just for context (I know yer comment was from hours ago), but yeah you missed a lot of this stuff having just joined in October. The primaries were in June, and there are MANY people who felt extremely passionate about the guy. Like essentially expressing that he was going to change the face of American politics. The naysayers (such as myself) first started off like “I doubt that anything will come of this, it is American electoralism after all, but if it does that will be so great! Let’s see where it goes” and then we were called wreckers and ultras and shit for not being in absolute frenzied support lol. We have been straight up called ignorant and other much less nice names when actually trying to engage in good faith discourse.

    So us naysayers have gotten more aggressive over it, especially since he has walked so much back without even being in office… And I think that within the past couple of months the dogmatists have just gotten quiet because every statement or he has made has been terrible. Some people do still claim that he is doing 5D chess to take the bourgeois by surprise and kick start the revolution or whatever, though. And I think our point, rather than this ACTUALLY being aboit Mamdani, is that people who are claiming to be Marxists are throwing materialist analysis into the trashcan in order to uncritically support him. Thats worth debating IMO.

    So now that you’re caught up on the history of this struggle session, welcome to hexbear, wait til you see 4 year old struggle sessions get relitigated over and over and again. It’s like a tradition at this point






  • Yes, I apprexiate this analysis! I think that the lumpen in the US is probably more similar to Marx’s conception, but their conditions and they way that they operate have changed because the bourgeoisie decided to try to extract value from them

    The modern lumpen is also very much a source of surplus extraction, but it happens indirectlt via services etc.

    I was thinking this. Prison labor, the drug market… The underground economy directly benefits the bourgeoisie.

    While not exactly the same, I was reading an article written by a black/trans/disabled sex worker, and they said that the only way they could organize around issues they cared about was BECAUSE of sex work and the time it afforded them. Having no time because we need to devote 3/4th of our lives to working, commuting, getting ready for work and sleeping probably plays a role in how weak the movement is here in the US, too.

    The closest to lumpen I can see are the homeless, but even then there are a lot more that are employed than people think.

    Another thing, too, is that while people may not have their labor to withhold, they can still contribute to the revolution by other means IMO. They can stand in solidarity at picket lines, for example. Some are much more willing to be militant, too. Like instead of the peasant class, the proletariat should be aligning with the lumpen here in the US