Federal officials in other departments have also continued to warn Canadian Heritage that the inclusion of Nazi collaborators on the memorial would cause international embarrassment. “It is important to note that many anti-communist and anti-Soviet advocates and fighters were also active Nazi collaborators, who committed documented massacres,” Global Affairs Canada officials warned their counterparts at Canadian Heritage in 2021. Those records were obtained by the Ottawa Citizen using the access-to-information law.
“It is important to note that many anti-communist and anti-Soviet advocates and fighters were also active Nazi collaborators, who committed documented massacres,”
how does all this fascism keep winding up in my anticommunism?!
List of donors on the website of the initiating organization (archive): Our Donors | Tribute To Liberty. These were the people initially promised space on the wall IIRC. You could look back in the archive.org to see if some have been removed.
And I found some peer organizations around the world. 30 Years in Making, Museum Dedicated to Victims of Communism Opens Monuments Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation
lol they can’t find 500 people who are actual “victims of communism” but not outright fascists. Sounds like poor scholarship as any system composing millions of people will have at least a few victims… nothing is perfect.
I am thinking it would be more expedient to inscribe all the names that have been requested over the years and only change the title: “
victimsvictories of communism”.Seriously, in all the extensive records the Soviets kept they can’t find 500 people who actually just got fucked over by some opportunist bureaucrat assholes? Place must have been a fuckin utopia
The only non-nazi names they can find are other communists lol
scoreboard of communism
The bodies keep the score
To the tune of Drowning Pool’s Bodies.
LET THE BODIES KEEP THE SCORE
LET THE BODIES KEEP THE SCORE
What do you think?
“Canada, a land of refuge” doesn’t fit this iteration but I can’t think of what to put there that matches the new titles.
Perhaps “a Land of Refuse” since that’s where all sorts of fascist scum scurried to in the postwar period.
Couldn’t be bothered reworking the french so I just removed it.
Couldn’t be bothered reworking the french so I just removed it.
I like it
I didn’t realise how much this looks like absolute shit. A black box with a Helvetica font on it - seriously? You couldn’t even be arsed to pay sculptor to do something eye-catching for your big monument?
See elsewhere in the thread I posted a pic of a competing monument that lost the bid, much to Canada’s ever expanding disgrace.
Canada, a land of refuge*
*Not for Jews trying to escape the Holocaust
Fun fact: Canada admitted thousands of nazis after the war and allowed them to live unmolested indefinitely afterwards. In fact, flashing your swastika tattoo to a border guard pretty much guaranteed you entry because it proved that you were an anti-communist and would fit in just fine.
At least 100k iirc some of whom had named participation in the Holocaust.
Yep.
By June 1947, displaced persons registered as ethnic Ukrainian totaled 106,549. Initially, the Canadian government showed limited interest in admitting more Ukrainians, reflecting a long-standing bias against non-Western European immigrants. Furthermore, Canadian law prohibited the acceptance of former combatants who had voluntarily served in the German armed forces. However, much of the screening was conducted by British major Denis Hills, a self-described fascist who instructed collaborators on how to avoid investigation. The British exonerated the Galicia Division and transferred many of them to Britain to fill labor shortages in agriculture.
For contrast: “None Is Too Many” was Canadian immigration policy when it came to Jews trying to escape the Holocaust.
Exactly. Western countries knew what was going on just like they know whats going on in Gaza now. Theres no difference between the nazis and the rest of the west.
Ah, yes. Liberalism. The good guys.
well I mean gosh what else are you going to be, a TANKIE???
One of them was Chrystia Freeland’s grandfather. He worked directly under Goebbels.
Which, to be fair, would be no big deal if she disavowed his beliefs, but AFAIK she has refused to do that.
Well he taught her everything about being a journalist. How can you disavow someone you learn so much from?
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
I was trying to find a better pic to show my proposed name change and did some across this
Source: Vandals attack site of Memorial to the Victims of Communism in Ottawa [archive] by Kate Bandura (Bandera?) July 2020
I like it, but I kind of wish they had put the “communism will win” on the left side with a french translation on the right.
Holocaust scholars and Jewish groups have continued to denounce claims their efforts to expose Nazi war criminals and collaborators are part of some Russian plot or disinformation scheme.
lol
That is amazing
For a real fun time, we could cross-reference the list of groups that are accused of being Ruzzian for saying the Holocaust was bad with the list of groups accusing others of being antisemites for saying the Gaza genocide is bad.
I guess I’m saying that a significant part of western “civilization” is just genocide enthusiasts standing in a circle pointing at each other without even a hint of irony lmao.
If you think about it, the monument itself is a victim of communism.
The victims of capitalism monument would never be able to be big enough to fit all the names on it.
Victims of capitalism monuments are everywhere. The media just refers to them as “homeless encampments”.
these poeple (archive link) submitted a slightly more whimsical concept that I almost like. Given how strongly associated pulling down statues is with the woke and the concept annoys right wingers so much. It could really put them into cognitive dissonance.
To be fair, it is kind of a depiction of current communism. Toppling dangerously, but not yet with face planted in the ground. Hovering, somewhat miraculously, against all gravity. Offers the possibility of the statue’s level being one day corrected.
Would this be Canada’s first Lenin statue?
Better than listing a bunch of boneheads as though they were martyrs.
Hey, even though he’s unpopular and it’s complicated, can we call Trotsky a victim of communism? I hope one of those cults has submitted his name so when the wall of names is unveiled scrubbed of all nazis, it will just be him.
When a society’s revolutionary fervour reaches the third and highest level, infra-materialist theoreticians have postulated that the laws of physics cease to be laws.
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In some of his later writings, Nilsen himself speculated about the potential for an *extra-physical architecture* that disregards the laws of ‘bourgeois physics’ and instead relies on the revolutionary faith of the people for structural integrity.
YOU: Meaning the buildings stay up because people *believe* they’ll stay up?
Precisely. Nilsen observed that the financial system operates on the same principle of faith, so why not an architectural system?
If they put up a Lenin statue communists will immediately start visiting it even if it is anticommunist.
Leaning tower of Pisa tourist picture but holding up the statue of Lenin from falling
Or ropes around the statue to pull it back upright
I’d take it.
I’m sure communists across the country would travel to it to take pictures of sideways Lenin.
You could do cute montages where it looks like you are lifting Lenin back up and shit.
Workers, lend me your energy!
If Ukraine wasn’t on the brink of defeat, you know the KKKanadian government would still be protecting the Nazis.
