This is a cool show. I can’t help but hate Carol, and I can’t figure out if the show is trying to make me hate her or if she really is supposed to be some kind of antihero. It’s interesting that we have very little information about what the lives of the other individuals were like before the joining. Carol is very petit bourgeois coded, clearly your archetypical western chauvinist. She’s basically monolingual, a fantasy slop mogul, deeply uncurious, self centered, and stubborn. She assumes that everyone else who is unjoined is of the same mind set, and the only other character aligned with her appears to be even more antisocial then she is.

It’s hard to say what this show is really about. There was that throw away line in the second or third episode where Carol says she is the “second greatest mass murder next to Stalin” and you could read this so many ways. Yet the show makes it very clear that the world Carol wants to return to is one full of harm and violence. That her resistance to this situation actively kills people

Hopefully this doesn’t turn into a show that doesn’t know how it ends and keeps running on a treadmill for several sessions.

  • Arahnya [he/him, fae/faer]@hexbear.netEnglish
    8·
    4 days ago

    I took some quotes from vince on the show:

    “I just want people to get along. First and foremost, it’s just a TV show. No TV show is going to cure cancer, so to speak,” the Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul creator told Decider over Zoom. “I want people to be along for the ride. Enjoy it. Be engaged by Carol. And that’s easy, because Rhea is just magnificent. And she just such a wonderful job. I want people to enjoy the show just like any other TV show. At the end of the day, that’s all I really hope for. But, this is so grandiose to say it, but the country is so divided…”

    “As a writer, speaking to a room full of writers, I have a proposal; it certainly won’t fix everything, but I think it’s a start. I say we write more good guys. For decades we made the villains too sexy [and] viewers everywhere, all around the world, pay attention. They say, ‘Here’s this badass, I want to be that cool.’ When that happens, fictional bad guys stop being the precautionary tales they were intended to be. God help us, they’ve become aspirational.”

    “The country is so divided. The world — I can’t speak for the rest of the world, I’ll speak for the United States — but it feels like the precipice of civil war. There’s nothing funny at all about that. And I don’t believe for a minute that either side, no matter what your personal beliefs are, I don’t believe that either side wants it this way,” Gilligan told Decider. “Nobody of good will wants things to be the way they are right now. And I’m not talking politics. I’m talking about people being at each other’s throats. I’d like this show — as grandiose as it is to say — my lottery win version of this would be that people watch this thing and they say, ‘Maybe there’s a better way.’ It’d be fun for me. It’d be more than fun. It’d be deeply satisfying.”

    “I don’t know if it ought to be like it it in Pluribus either, because then we potentially lose all our individuality. There’s reasons you don’t want it to be like the world of Pluribus, but is there somewhere in the middle between the two?” Gilligan asked.

    What do y’all think?

    • Keld [he/him, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
      16·
      4 days ago

      It is amazing how basically whenever any showrunner or film maker is invited to explain their vision, they always sound like the most vapid people ever.