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    Nice, I think this is the most honest confirmation that Mamdani is in fact the best candidate.

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      The lesser part maybe true but so is the evil part.

      Always has been, otherwise it wouldn’t be called the “lesser-evil” party, it’d be called the “good” party.

      We’ve known for decades (and I do mean everyone by ‘we’, I’m not even American) that the democrats are also corporate bootlickers. It’s just that their policies tend to be less anti-human generally. For a while, it was clear: Vote dem, get some consumer protections and slow improvements in healthcare, LGBT rights, etc. Vote republican, get every good thing repealed and new anti-consumer, anti-lgbt, anti-healthcare legislation introduced. Now the dems want to cater to the right for votes and the “lesser” part of “lesser evil” is starting to diminish. They’re still the lesser evil, but they’re also more in the way of true progress than ever.

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      If they don’t respect the candidate elected in the primaries, then the party has to go. I ain’t voting blue no matter who any more. I fell for that these last 3 elections and look how far that took us.

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    I love how this asshole talks about “cannibalizing support” when he’s openly against the officially recognized Democratic nominee for mayor.

    What a fucking joke. I hope to fuck he gets primaried too. We need to stop letting these corpo democrats suck up all the oxygen in the room.

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    Democratic leadership is controlled opposition, there’s no other way to say it

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    Just like the Republican factions in The Spanish Civil War attacking each other for having the wrong ideology while the Fascists tightened their grip.

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        With a wide brush you can paint the picture like this: The Republicans were left wing communists (or at least they wanted a democratic republic) and the Nationalists were right wing fascists.

        Nationalists won and they had a dictator (Franco) in Spain from 1939 to 1975.

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    They are gonna hand the election to the GOP because they refuse to fucking retire and let a new generation make decisions.

    The DNC is just as culpable for both Trump terms as the GOP voters imo.

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      The DNC already handed the election to Trump. And now that a leftist gets any momentum the DNC are still doing everyhing in their power to prevent leftists from winning.

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        And they’re flubbing it so hard, which is half the joke of all this.

        Cuomo was a shoe-in, according to the polls, two months before the election. The dude was going to walk into Gracie Mansion without breaking a sweat. Then Mamdani - a virtual unknown State Senator out of Astoria - gets a bit of traction with his campaign platform and a ton of hate from the Zionist national media. Suddenly, this dark horse candidate is on everyone’s TV screens. He’s the center of the national fight over the Gaza genocide. And he’s getting up on the TV to say things like “Buses should be free at point of use” and “Maybe we could get grocery store prices down if we ran them like the Post Office”, which are the crazy left-wing ideas that nobody else is suggesting.

        He’s glad-handing Brad Lander after the man is bullied by ICE. He’s talking about housing reform in one of the most expensive places to live in the country. He’s getting car bomb threats from a guy who doesn’t know he takes the subway to work. All the worst people you know hate him.

        Wins by 12 points. Obama didn’t have it this good.

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      It’s not really a generational thing.

      The DNC has been bought by the donor class. They operate under the (not insane) belief that they need huge sums of money to win elections.

      Mamdani makes the donors unhappy, it’s as simple as that.

      Mamdani is around the same age Pete Buttigieg was when he started getting into the national spotlight. Buttigieg doesn’t threaten the donor class, so full support. Fun memes and tweets about him going on Fox News and making a host look like a fool.

      You see any popular candidate get crapped on by the DNC, go read what the candidate wants to do and ask yourself a simple question “does this threaten the wealth of the donor class?” If the answer is yes you are guaranteed that the DNC establishment are going to be fighting that candidate.

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        The DNC and the top of the party would MUCH rather lose to the Fascists across the aisle they have a corpo bribe sharing agreement with than win with a candidate that campaigns on bringing accountability to those wealthy bribers.

        Or to put it another way, Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer would lock arms with Republicans and treat President AOC, for example, the way most Democrat voters wish they were treating Trump. Scorched earth, not a single meeting, not a single appointment, just bill after bill trying to strip all Presidential power until a hypercapitalist sits in the chair again.

        Neoliberals are much closer to Republicans than they are to anything resembling a leftwing, politically. The only thing that separates them is not actively pointing and laughing at you when they hurt you to line their pockets, they just shrug, call it market forces, and hand you an affirmation ribbon you can neither eat nor live inside.

        Which is why this nation is beyond repair and we need to force collapse and start over, with a constitution barring capital markets and any profit sharing that isn’t tied to working/laboring for what’s being profited from. Speculative investment is cancer that breeds sociopathy, division, and death ☠️. No neoliberal or fascist is against the for profit deathcare confidence scheme we call American healthcare for all but the wealthy. They’re both paid to defend it from us.

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      They are gonna hand the election to the GOP because they refuse to fucking retire are beholden to and allied with the 1%

      FTFY.

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      One of the youngest members of congress is Kyrsten Sinoma. Its not age, its that they’re trusted to protect the interests of capital.

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        One of the youngest members of congress is Kyrsten Sinoma.

        Kyrsten Sinema. And she declined to run for reelection, ceding the primary to Ruben Gallego (slightly younger, at 45) who looked good-ish on paper a couple years ago. But now he’s fallen in with the Crypto-Bros, he’s been seen taking money from the Qatars, and he’s otherwise indistinguishable from any of the other pro-war, corporate-friendly Schumer style liberal Democrats.

        they’re trusted to protect the interests of capital.

        The irony of it all is how we’re immolating our industrial base and flinging trillions into tech sector lucid dreams in a way suggests a very bleak future for actual physical capital in the country.

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    Its clear that Democrats are now the center (maybe center-right) party and there is no mainstream liberal party in the US

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    So “blue no matter who” and “the time for debate is during the primary” is only meant to benefit corporatist, war-hawk candidates?? I’m shocked, I tells ya.

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    Maybe finally people will start getting it in their heads that the current Democratic party - aside from the obvious outliers, Bernie, AOC, Warren etc - is not acting in their best interests…

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      I really don’t understand why Warren keeps being put in the company of Bernie or AOC.

      Bernie and AOC are leftists (center left), and Warren is firmly center right at best.

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        I really don’t understand why Warren keeps being put in the company of Bernie or AOC.

        For the same reason Corporate Dems kept screaming “Biden is the most progressive candidate since FDR!” at any left-liberal who would give them the time of day. She’s not a serious politician. She’s a fence post. This is how far the party is allowed to go and absolutely no further.

        You put Warren in with Bernie and AOC today. Then, when we get another Hillary or a Buttigieg or whatever on the ticket in 2028, you can tell progressives “See? Warren is being reasonable and joining with the very popular center of the party. They have progressive cred. Idk wtf Bernie and AOC are on anymore. They’ve clearly gone off the deep end. Besides, Bernie is a misogynist and I think I heard AOC is part Chinese. And don’t even think about voting for the Green Party. They’re all a bunch of KGB-infiltrated Russians.”

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          “Idk wtf Bernie and AOC are on anymore. They’ve clearly gone off the deep end. Besides, Bernie is a misogynist and I think I heard AOC is part Chinese.”

          I sincerely hope that by “part Chinese” you mean sympathetic towards the CCP and it’s a very poor choice of words

          I’m interested in seeing evidence of these points

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        You know what, you’re right. I only mentioned her because of that right to repair thing she promoted. To be honest I always thought that the right thing to do would be for her to just endorse Bernie in a united front against Hilary instead of splitting the vote and capitalizing on those sexists who wanted to vote for a woman instead of an old white man.

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    This whole situation has been the final straw for me and my support of the Democratic party. I used to think they were just incompetent and disorganized but this has shown that they are perfectly willing to openly sell our country to fascists to keep someone who is actually going to make a change for the positive out. I have never seen the democratic party unify so solidly behind anything other than hating on this guy.

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      They are extremely competent and organized, just not for you. Welcome to reality.

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      No joke. Fuck’em. I’d sooner throw my lot in with actual leftists than have it be counted for these useful idiots and Vichy assholes that capitualte to fascism daily.

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      If they actually gave a fuck about fascism like they claim they’d be doing real shit with real people. Out in the streets leading the charge like the leaders they’re supposed to be. At most you get a speech and “good luck with all that stuff I’m off to the next comfy event I have scheduled”

      Instead they “try” with bullshit hearings - that only serve as sound bite harvesting sessions - and bullshit bills - that they know won’t amount to anything anyway. They only care that their select faction of rich fucks aren’t the ones benefit the most of all the rich fucks. They only care that the bombs, cages, trampling of rights, and preventable deaths aren’t under their command.

      If they didn’t secretly love fascism, they’d be out telling people how to arm themselves and build solidarity in their communities. They’d be telling people how to protect themselves and those around them from the violence of the state. Instead it’s a lot of “trust in the system and make sure you vote again ❤️🏳️‍🌈✊✊🏿 oh yeah and be back to work on Monday, we got more bombs to drop”

      These aren’t your folks, my dudes.

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    By this guys logic shouldn’t he be supporting the winner of the primary and admonishing those who say they will vote 3rd party instead of the other way around?