So crazy that the Conservative Party still has 144 seats given that they’ve basically signed on to a policy of foreign occupation.
Feels like I’m watching liberated France send Philippe Pétain back in as the Loyal Opposition with 40% of the vote.
That’s not what their base believes. There is a whole other fantasy reality in their channels about how Carney has planned all along to cut a secret deal with Trump after the election. Other justification narratives probably exist as well, because they have to keep people believing that obviously, everyone knows we couldn’t possibly do anything other than completely fold into Trump’s plans. They spew propagandistic garbage like this and teach people to distrust legit media that understands context and checks facts rather than running with conspiracy theories based on flimsy evidence.
The conservatives still turned out a lot of votes. The left just voted strategically to keep them out. Next election the left will split again and we will get the conservatives again. Given the parties recent history even if it isn’t Poilievre I’m sure they will pick another alt right sycophant.
Next election the left will split again and we will get the conservatives again.
Rather than settling for the investment banker, they could all rally around a candidate that’s interested in social good.
The Left doesn’t have to split.
The left has to get their shit together before that can happen. Right now the left cares more about purity tests over being effective.
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People are gonna hate this
Around here? I wouldn’t be so sure.
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On Lemmy?
Right now the left cares more about purity tests
People care about who they can trust. Far to much liberal politics revolves around lying, cheating, and scamming voters, donors, and activists.
You can’t have a viable Left in a country that’s too cynical to believe better things are possible.
Not if we have ranked choice voting with proportional representation.
More likely is the Conservatives will split back into 2 parties. The Progressives vs the Reformers.
As an unfortunate USian, I get a small panic attack any time the red option is shown as the winner of an election. Good on Y’all for not catching too much of our crazy.
Look at how close it was. Canada may want to start stomping down the Trump wannabes now or they will be where the US is in about 10 years (or sooner).
An electoral reform wouldn’t hurt.
Your comment is exactly why electoral reform can’t happen now. When all of the people pushing for changes in the elections really just want to make it so their party will win (or some other party will lose), it’s obvious to everyone the push for electoral reform isn’t being done in good faith, so it’s not all that different from vote rigging.
It’s possible that the CPC might split and if that were to happen, then there might be a broad support for electoral reform. Unless that happens, it’s just a bunch of lefties trying to rig the system so the Conservatives can’t win.
And trust me I’m no Conservative, I can just understand what electoral reform sounds like to anyone outside of the lefty bubble.
Also proportional representation is just straight up a bad system. It only looks good from the perspective of a spreadsheet, it’s terrible when you consider power dynamics. But that shitty system is constantly sucking up all of the attention so people pushing for electoral reform are pushing for a system most people don’t want. Stop trying to make proportional representation happen in Canada, it’s not going to happen.
The Oranges are in a position to push for RCV (simpler, same seats) and continue the push for dental and vision care. Hell, I’ll wear Government Specs .
IMHO, a minority-red gov is a best-case for us.
I think “stomping down” is the wrong phrase to use. Regardless, I have a couple in my family… Asking them “how do I change your mind” or “what would need to happen for you to even consider the other side” has shown me some people can’t be helped.
I wanted to vote NDP but I felt I had to vote Liberal to negate their PP vote. My riding is liberal this time and I’m super happy.
Well, what would change your mind and have you vote conservative?
what would change your mind and have you vote conservative
The cons would have to ditch their main tenets: bootstraps, mercenary healthcare, hating teh geys, hating the ‘ethnics’(my drunkard uncle’s words) … so, yeah: hate. They’d have to ditch hate and smarmy elitism.
My main points are free health care, dont ruin the earth, and minimum wage should be able to afford a life if they work 40 hours a week.
I don’t care the title or label of the party. Show me the person running who is kind, well spoken, and wants these three things and I’ll vote for them.
Having the conservatives stop trying to harm and kill people would be a start.
But that’s the point. Conservatism is the opposite of progress.
The ones that can’t be reasoned with; They have to be stomped down. We tried to be nice to the maggots, but it didn’t work.
Yes. This is sadly the case. Nothing else will work. You have to yell at them and harass them. Call them stupid children. Stop doing any form of business with them. For fucks sake, if they are family members cut them out of your life and tell them exactly why you are doing it.
This is the only way you could possibly reform them.
That some primo Trump speech right there my guy. How about we don’t stop of anyone and recognize bad social conditions lead people to make bad choices?
Or you can just enjoy your time being the oppressor I guess.
I’m curious why you’re being down voted so hard.
I’m also curious how I would “stomp down” my family member to not love everything trump does. We’re both Canadian and they haven’t been to the us in my life time…
To me, there’s no talking to the extreme of either side. If a logical and factual conversation can’t change someone’s mind then I don’t know what will.
Because 4 year olds with cancer are being sent to concentration camps in the US. If you can politely talk to your family members and reason with them, this is always ideal. I get that it’s easy to be sucked down the alt-right pipeline. But if they’re literal nazis, far beyond reasoning with, I’m sorry. And if that hurts your feelings, you’re a nazi sympathizer.
Yea. Fuckers are saying “stomp them down seems harsh”, “maybe he doesn’t mean that”.
STOMP THEM DOWN. Crush the movement like they are roaches. These people ARE NOT HUMAN! They think like aliens. They cheer as people are unconstitutionally dragged away to concentration camps … it is a one way trip.
Destroy the Canadian “MAGA” movement now, or get prepped to literally fight them in the streets like the US is doing. Yes, people are physically stopping ICE.
Be careful, dehumanizing your opposition is Nazi shit. I agree they must be stopped but surely some percentage can be deprogrammed.
It’s sad to see how many times I’ve seen dehumanising being up voted recently.
Human rights apply even to the worst criminals.
While this is true, I don’t think advocating of “punching fascists” is on a policy level, but rather an individual one.
Why would ask a trans individual to respect the “human rights” of someone that doesn’t even see them as human?
What’s the unpunched fascist versus punched fascist to normal person conversion rate?
I wish I could tell you, but I failed all my fascism math courses.
Didn’t most we all
Irrelevant. It’s not about changing their mind. It’s about making them afraid to spread their bullshit.
Ohhh
Bro/gurll why has nobody ever explained that on here, OK OK I’m the last one to know nvm haha
Thank you!
No. I said what I said. These people are pure evil. They are the new Nazi party.
As someone watching from the US (and who has looked at possibly
immigratingemigrating there) that’s what I noticed too. It seemed like the split wasn’t too far from Trump’s current approval rating. Luckily Canada doesn’t have to deal with the disaster that is the electoral college. This result however does make me really concerned about Canada’s next big election.My hope is that the CPC* splits and/or reforms into a more moderate and respectable party, so that at least it won’t be fucking armageddon in the event that they win a future election. But if I know conservatives worldwide, they won’t learn shit.
(Edit: CPC, not UCP)
Nice hair
I’m not Canadian, Thank you Canada, there is hope after all.
There’s hope but this was too close. The Conservatives upped their numbers as did the Liberals. It was only the progressive/reasonable vote banding together that saved the day.
Its complicated; I cant really see the hope for these reasons. Canada had a housing crisis 10 years ago, prices were way too high relative to incomes. The shortage then worsened and prices ratcheted up as we increased immigration.
In 2023 we had huge asset price inflation like most places, due to QE from the Bank of Canada that was used to fund Covid stimulus, which caused asset values to skyrocket. We took in over a million people that year to sustain asset prices and keep wages depressed. This is known as the phillips curve, its generally expected wages rise after inflation due to wage pressure, as people ask for raises to deal with the rising cost of living.
https://thehub.ca/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/Fig1_AnnualPopulationGrowth_graph_v1-1170x839.jpg
Canada’s main cities are now within the top 10 most expensive cities in the world. The income required to afford to live there is above 200k, while the median wage is only 70k a year.
https://globalnews.ca/news/10572326/impossibly-unaffordable-housing-vancouver-report/
Carney promised to cap immigration at 1% population growth a year, which is 415,000 people a year. Annual deaths are at around 320,000, and births about 360,000 people, so we will grow at around 465,000 people a year. Given in 2022 we welcomed the most we have ever welcomed at 405,000, where prices were already rising dramatically, I dont see how the cost of living gets any better for young people. I actually dont see a single change to the existing Liberal plan at all, they were basically expecting that exact same number in 2022.
Hopefully this will signal to the Conservatives that Canadians don’t have any use for a demagogue who attributes the world’s ills to “wokeness,” but I’m not holding my breath.
I helped!
I am a fan. I have joy.
I know nothing about canadian politics, but Fanjoy looks like he is having a lot of fun and joy. 😺
To give a bit of context. The person in second, Pierre Poilievre, is the leader of the Conservative party and campaigned for Prime Minister of Canada. Canadians don’t vote directly for Prime Minister. The country is divided into a few hundred ridings and each riding gets to elect a Member of Parliament. The party with the most MPs gets to form government, and their leader becomes the Prime Minister.
Not only has Poilievre failed to win enough seats for the Conservative party to form government, he might not even win his own seat. A seat he has held for 20 years. It would be embarrassing for him and hilarious for all the Canadians that think he’s a dickhead.
Thanks for clarification!
not even win his own seat
As in he won’t be elected as a member of parliament because not enough people voted for him in his region?
He wasn’t elected.
Results are in.
Bro for real?!
CBC shows P.P. as defeated.
Singh also was defeated.
The co-leader of Green too. Jonathan. May still held hers.
Oh an Maxime didn’t get a seat either :)
A little sad about Singh, but c’est la vie.
Greens: well that’s a result.
Fuckin perfect that Maxime didn’t get a seat AGAIN.
Smoking is bad.
You’re allowed to fire one up if you manage to beat back the creeping ride of fascism for a while.
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I have the weirdest fucking headache, and the release of tension is all I can think of to explain it.
As a woman, a lesbian, a disabled person, and someone who thinks all humans deserve rights… I am so relieved. I voted Liberal for the first time in my life, and was glad to do it - Carney makes me hopeful again for the first time in a long time.
Sorry is this real?
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