A Chinese immigrant was found dead in U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) detention, with his hands and feet tied behind him, an attorney has alleged.
“Davon haben wir nichts gewusst”.
There is a non-zero chance that the US government or its proxies, have already started mass-murdering immigrants, but the information hasn’t leaked out. Thousands are already missing.
Luckily, Americans have a unique talent for pretending things never happened, so ten years from now most will be back to lecturing the world on democracy and free speech. Right now only the fascists have the gall, but they delight in acting in bad faith, because their main goal is to intimidate and disconcert.
We should call out bad actors and support democracy and free speech regardless. No matter how much we resist there will always be people who sit in their armchair and ask why we didn’t die for our ideals.
Cool. We’re at the Dictatorship Death Squads Stage.
This is such a confusing story—how does someone “hog tie” themselves before committing suicide by hanging?
The confusing part is that there’s so many details provided but the report just kind of… awkwardly buries those facts underneath a pile of other facts.
Like the story wants to make you believe that this was a case of the jail being so horrific that this person with possible mental health issues killed themself.
You know, rather than focusing on what the conditions of the body’s discovery actually imply: he was lynched in jail.
An autopsy report seen by Newsweekshowed Ge was found tied with a bedsheet, with linens around his wrists and ankles in what the report described as a “hog-tied” position.
Ah yes the ‘ol’ he shot himself in the back of the head type of suicide.
The medical examiner noted that there had been other reported incidents of people who had hung themselves having done something similar, and that there were no obvious defense wounds.
And apparently it’s an epidemic in that prison. Multiple people tying their own hands and feet behind their backs and then hanging themselves. And of course since they couldn’t / didn’t fight back it could only be self inflicted, that’s the only solution to this conundrum here.
It’s truly mystifying how any detention facility can let someone leave their room, create three nooses and then hang themselves without anyone knowing.
Sorta like Epstein managed to do to himself ofc. Really is truly mystifying.
What’s worse is the lack of mental health care which could have prevented this tragedy. Mr. Ge’s death represents a totally failure on the part of the GeoGroup and the DHS."
And damn had he just had a decent therapist, I’m sure he coulda pulled through somehow. Never mind the abduction, jail, treatment, and nazis.
Epstein killed himself because the guards and cameras were called off. Someone whispered in his ear, “Do yourself or face hell. Think on it. We’ll give you a few.”
If you’ve never spent a couple of days in county, you can hardly imagine what a billionaire was facing. ALL the privilege and leverage in the world, gone. And try to put yourself in Epstein’s shoes! Dozens of powerful men want you dead. Might as well get it over with. Epstein killed himself because he was allowed to kill himself.
Regardless, I think we all agree his death was orchestrated.
Up until last week, that was my theory too
But now seeing Trump’s reactions… he totally ordered the hit
Holy fuck, do you still believe in Santa?
Epstein didn’t kill himself, you fucking nob, and neither did this individual.
Easter Bunny was a witness.
Dude had literally the most possible bargaining power he could have had in that situation. Absolutely not.
If you’ve never spent a couple of days in county, you can hardly imagine what a billionaire was facing. ALL the privilege and leverage in the world, gone. Exactly.
People really underestimate this.
Suicide risk is dramatically higher when a person is first incarcerated. The shock caused by being in a dramatically different living situation and the knowledge that this is your new reality for the rest of your life is immense even if you come from a normal background with normal struggles.
This guy was a billionaire. To there’s nothing that he couldn’t do or have (even evil and gruesome things, as we know). He was the king of his world, he had staff, multiple houses, private islands, jets, every hedonistic pleasure and experience was available to him at any time.
He went from living that life to sleeping on a tiny steel cot with a pancake-thick mattress, in a 7’x12’ box. He doesn’t control anything there, when he eats, when he sleeps, where he goes, who he talks to are all determined by other people. He doesn’t even control his own light switch.
That’s an incredibly powerful shock in a situation where we know that the risk of suicide is increased.
The fact that people see this suicide as a conspiracy is more evidence of proportionality bias (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proportionality_bias) than anything else.
This is a very solid point, but how did he manage to do the act while tied up in a pickle suit and on suicide watch?
Forgive me if I’m not mistaken, but he was under the supervision of two guards specifically because they understood the high risk he was at, so they took precautions to prevent it.
Was he just that competent that he Houdini’d himself out of a super straitjacket and managed to expediently end himself under 24/7 supervision?
You’re pretty mistaken. He wasn’t in any kind of restraints or suit, he was in a regular cell in confinement in regular inmate uniform…
If you look at the cell photos he had his personal items and bed sheets, that isn’t give to a person who is on suicide watch. They’re given a padded room and a smock made out of a material like really thick toilet paper which can’t be shredded and made into a rope.
He was alone in a regular cell, he had access to all of his personal and canteen items and regular bedding. He killed himself with the sheets that every inmate is given.
It’s not exciting, but people kill themselves in prison all of the time. It doesn’t take a grand conspiracy to understand why a billionaire facing effectively life in prison would feel suicidal.
Suicide risk is dramatically higher when a person is first incarcerated.
Your hypothesis seems much weaker when we consider that Epstein was incarcerated for 13 months for his first conviction in 2008.
13 months is not a long time in prison.
So youre getting a lot of responses, but everyone is latching on to the word
hanginginstead ofligature.These are different things. Ligature does not involve the weight of the body, but a constrictive device on the neck. 3 nooses, one on hands, feet, and neck, would make you fully mobile until the rope was pulled.
Suspicious, definately. Should this place exist? No. Insane to be happening in a prison, definately. Unheard of? No.
The confusing part is the use of
hanging, as that is a very different form of strangulation.The medical examiner sounds like a complicit piece of shit implying anybody in that position hung themselves
I guess some lawyer decided it was a bad idea to say the obvious that they were murdered, so you get absurd writing like this
Just like Jeffrey r Epstein, best friend of Donald j Trump, and fellow child rapist.
Luckily ICE is taking the matter very seriously:
Newsweek asked DHS whether Ge had been tied up and whether it was cooperating with the lawsuit filed in New York. Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin did not answer these questions, but repeated similar messaging on detention deaths: that ICE takes each one seriously and thoroughly investigates them all.
Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure 🥴
And that’s not all, how about this knee-slapper:
DHS Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin, in a statement to Newsweek: “Chaofeng Ge passed away at the Moshannon Valley Processing Center. All in-custody deaths are tragic, taken seriously, and are thoroughly investigated by law enforcement. ICE takes its commitment to promoting safe, secure, humane environments for those in our custody very seriously.”
These fuckers lie through their teeth. I really really hope there is a special circle in hell just for people like this. We’ve somehow managed to find the most vile humans on the planet and put them in charge.
“After a thorough investigation, we conclude that we did nothing wrong.”
New pig same as the old pig.
The only hell is the one we make for them. No safety in Argentina.
I hate guns and always thought open-carry was stupid. I get it now. When government thugs are taking people from the street and “disappearing” them, the rest of the citizens (who won’t put up with that crap) need to be ready on the spot, while it is happening.
Isn’t this why Americans have so stridently been justifying their need for guns? To protect themselves against tyranny and government overreach? And now it happens they’re all like “Ummm. . . You first!”
It’s where American individualism collides with the reality that only collective resistance is effective. “You first” is each person realizing that individual resistance will get them killed. Because the USA is so steeped in the myth of the individual fighting evil singlehandedly with a gun, and in the “collectivism = communism = bad” propaganda, it’s taking time for the population to adjust to reality and organize. Unfortunately the fascists keep busy in the meantime.
At the time? In a four-against-one situation? They will vaporize you. If you decide to go 2A in the moment of an ICE kidnapping you’ll end up a page 12 story and leave your mother without a son. You’re not John Wick and they will be ready for you with body armor and better training.
If you want to serve refugee communities there are many, many ways that don’t involve the inevitable loss of your own life in extreme, violent ways.
Edit: Be real, real careful when internet tough guys try to encourage you to commit violence. People who really do stuff like this don’t talk about it first, so there’s a 100% chance what you’re reading was posted by a keyboard warrior or a fed.
Better training? Not from what i’ve seen. They appear to be scared children with guns and cs grenades that go off at any loud noise.
Better funding. Definitely not better training.
Better funding. Their “training” is practically non-existent
Yeah there’s only one kind of whistle for ICE, in my opinion
Still stupid. Carry a gun and ICE will just murder you.
Murdered on the street or murdered in a detention center, same outcome
Most people will calculate that there’s a chance of survival in detention but no chance of surviving a gun battle with multiple cops. Armed resistance needs to be organized and collective, because the individual calculus is always this.
They don’t need to murder you. The criminal cases against ICE protesters in Texas hinge on the government’s assertion that carrying a weapon to a protest is evidence that you are planning a terrorist act (also, wearing black, using Faraday bags for your phone, and traveling to protests in groups are all now considered evidence that you are planning terrorism). So, carry a gun near ICE and they will call you a terrorist and disappear you.
Murder is bad optics, but label someone a terrorist and America will cheer while they execute you.
“Suicide”
Like Epstein.
So every ice kidnappings can now be assumed to be murder.
What’s the saying, if you’re kidnapped the odds of survival drop dramatically after 48h or something.
Or when you’re taken to a second location
I don’t see how that’s pertinent. I was more thinking about for bystanders and intervention.
If you’re a bystander or intervene, they’ll have no qualms arresting you and seeing if they can deport you, and while they do that, they’ll withhold live saving medicine, food, and might even hog tie you up apparently, and if they’ve had you for 48h or more, I’d say your odds are having been murdered by them like this are much higher. If your skin is even remotely not white, you might even be trafficked across state lines before anyone knows you’ve been kidnapped.
I think if you intervene like you should, you won’t be arrested.
You can place America in the ranks of Afghanistan and Sudan now … what a shit show of a country.
Now? Did Trump improve it or something because it was always at the bottom along with Russian and China.
America has a higher % of population incarcerated than both of those combined, with at least as much a culture of rape abuse and murder.
Now we’ve adopted their clever hack for reducing the incarcerated population.
so it has begun
Totally suicide!
/s
Or it could have been a pre existing condition. Who can say?
I feel bad for laughing at this.
