Just found out someone I thought was somewhat intelligent recently became maga because they think schools are pushing kids to be trans. I no longer think they’re intelligent. I’ll never understand this dumb fucking shit. Half the world’s problems are caused by people being unable to think to themselves “well I don’t understand that. It’s kinda weird to me. Oh well”
Instead a bunch of assholes need to create misery in the world to somehow attempt to “resolve” their inability to do that. Rather than have something exist that they don’t understand, they need to eradicate it. Nevermind the fact that it’s both cruel and impossible to eradicate these ideas and people they don’t understand.
We should be able to trace these stories to their origins. My welsh mom was on the phone last year saying she saw in the news that schools in Scotland where I am are encouraging kids to be trans. Theyre asking them every single day “are you a girl or a boy today” when they take the register. I told her thats obviously nonsense, thats not happening. I even asked my son to be sure.
The next day, a “news article” popped up on my phone saying the exact shit about schools in Wales. Its so fucking tiring.
I broke up with my mom over her failure to respect queer rights. I was chased out of my town, had to run away at 17, because people were threatening me, my family, my friends - was under police protection and 24 hour surveillance for weeks. All because I came out in high school.
And now she’s like “I am a member of the log cabin republicans”
And I’m like “That’s cool, you’re not my mom anymore tho.”
They’re living in their own information bubbles, and they’re deluding themselves to believe in these kind of bullshits. Used to be a conservative just when they decided they’re gonna rid all opposing ideology from the world (usually under the disguise of anti-communism), before that I was a kind of a proto-alt-right kid, and they literally believe that moderate liberals are secretly bloodthirsty satanist communists, who will kill all christians.
My mother in law is constantly posting about how the Biden administration put litter boxes in every school bathroom and they haven’t been removed.
Of course, her own grandchildren telling her they’ve never seen one in any of the 6 schools they’ve been to is just woke bullshit the teachers are instructing them to lie to their parents about.
The mental gymnastics required to believe these things is astounding, and would almost be impressive if it weren’t harming people.
Wow that is absurd. Here’s a question for her… Why hasn’t God King Trump removed them?
That litterbox story was a test. Humanity failed it by having more than like 100 wackos believe it for even a second. I find it hard to believe any moron could believe it. But I’ve met them myself so I know it’s a thing.
Oh I’ve brought that up before and it’s just been dismissed with a “he’s trying but the schools aren’t cooperating”
Never mind the fact that the thugs they hire for law enforcement would have no qualms with kicking down a school door and putting guns in faces to do whatever they want (as long as there isn’t a scary white man with a gun inside that might shoot at them) and would love the opportunity to “own the libs” by removing these thousands and thousands of litter boxes.
Like I said, the mental gymnastics are astonishing. She believes a single being created the universe, so this probably isn’t that big a stretch for her.
The funny thing here to me is that despite being an atheist/agnostic I actually find the existence of God much more believable than the litter box story. At least there’s a conceivable cause and effect there. I really struggle to relate to people who think motivations aren’t key to behavior. Sure if there was something to gain from putting litter boxes in bathrooms, I could see some people believing it. But there’s literally no explanation for it. It’s just a vague “they’re crazy” handwave happening there.
Thing is, the litterbox story has a grain of truth buried in there. I believe some schools did put litterboxes in classrooms… In case of extended sheltering in place during a school shooting.
Among other school supplies, teachers in one Colorado public school district were recently given buckets and kitty litter so students are able to use the bathroom in the event of a lockdown, the district confirmed to TIME.
Some teachers were given the “go buckets” at a back-to-school training within the Jefferson County Public School District. This is the same district where the Columbine High School mass shooting left 12 student and one teacher dead in 1999.
“Our emergency procedures include a Lockdown protocol if there is a threat inside the building. Lockdowns require each classroom to be cleared by school security or law enforcement after the threat has been mitigated and can be a long process. The go buckets include items to support students and staff if needed – including bodily functions,” Diana Wilson, a spokesperson for the Jefferson County School District tells TIME.
In April, Jefferson County schools were on lockout all day after a woman reportedly had an obsession with the Columbine shooting and posed a “credible threat” to the Denver area. She was later found dead in an apparent suicide.
For the coming school year, some teachers within the district were also given first aid items, as well as a Sharpie marker so they can write down the time they put a tourniquet on a bleeding student.
John McDonald, the head of security for Jefferson County Public Schools, said that the buckets are not required but they are strongly encouraged, according to Chalkbeat.
“We want to give our kids dignity in the middle of this type of crisis,” McDonald said. “We really start with a belief that training creates a fundamental climate and culture of school safety, and you can be emergency prepared without being emergency scared.”
According to McDonald, the idea came about a few years ago when one of the schools in the district, Alameda International Junior/Senior High School, was locked down for hours after it was reported that there was a gun in the school. Students had to use trash cans and closets for bathroom purposes.
He also says this isn’t the first year that the teachers have been provided with buckets, and that around half of the schools in the district currently have them.
MAGA worldview is a exploit of multiple side-effects of some evolutionary-useful features, but it behaves more like a virus. Or basically, it’s a sect.
fuck them. I don’t need to force myself to feel empathy for people mad about a fake excuse that probably has no connection to reality at all but has every connection to bigotry.
nope, no one in schools is pushing kids to be trans and you’re a disgusting person for spreading that lie. Support is not “pushing”.
Your attempt to put a coat of logic onto bigotry is disgusting and makes you worse than a conservative who admits to being racist. Because at least with them you know what you’re getting, they’re not trying to trick anyone with false motives.
I read your comments below where you claim everyone on Lemmy is a mindless drone parroting leftist ideas but you. Maybe what that feeling actually is is a sign that you’re out of your element. Reddit.com/r/conservative seems more your speed. That’s where the admitted Nazis, the supposedly moderate conservatives, and other bigots hang out. They’d welcome your anti-trans intentional lies with open arms.
This is insane. I have nothing agaisnt trans people, I don’t know where you got that idea. Then doing whatever they want to their bodies affects in no way whatsoever.
This is a subject I know little about. On one hand there’s lemmy’s opinion, on the other there’s IRL’s opinion and they are very different. I did the exact same to them, brought them lemmy’s arguments. Unfortuntately they reacted the exact same as you, called me a woke socialist and moved on.
I don’t know why you’d send me to r/conservative, I’m a leftist and will surely always be, though I’m sure not as extreme as you. It’s true though lemmy brought me closer to the right than I’ve ever been.
You brought bad faith arguments and didn’t take any care to point out that they are flawed, so, even if you strongly disagree with them and did not mean to promote them in any way, you indeed did promote them by repeating them and offering no criticism of them whatsoever.
Your language actually implied that it’s a legitimate claim to say “schools are pushing kids to be trans” which is beyond bullshit. I know someone who teaches in a very blue area and all they’re asked to do is call kids by the name they ask, and suggest talking with a counselor for kids seemed troubled. And even within that framework there are conservative teachers who are mad about those requests and don’t honor them. So yeah, it’s harmful for you to pretend things are happening which are not happening, particularly because thousands of liars are driving young people to suicide by parroting the same lie you did.
How can I say they are flawed? I’m not an expert in politics. One side tells me they are correct, the other tells me not. If I took the time to research it then maybe I could understand and make my own opinion, but there are so many (imo) more interesting things to research than politics.
But honestly, if you think relating opinions you disagree with is harmful, then perhaps you’re already too far gone. Everyone who truly believes my so-called “claims” are wrong should have no problem just ignoring them. Those who could actually be persuaded they are true do not know enough to make an informed decision about which side is correct, or if any is, anyway.
This is all just cowardly. We both know that if you said a racist thing online without disagreeing with it, you’d clearly just be spreading a toxic idea. There’s zero difference here. Bye.
And schools pushing kids to be trans is somewhat a thing.
you could also say that schools are pushing kids to be cis today.
and i get your point about surgery being a big impact on somebody’s life (and i personally would never undergo a not medically necessary surgery myself), but most of the time, teenagers (if they’re taking any medical process at all) take hormones (which is swallowing pills) which by the way is also done by people with diabetes (insulin is literally a hormone) and so it’s kind of a “routine thing” and that’s why i wouldn’t call it surgery.
Most of the time, though, it’s not even that; it’s literally about clothing and stuff.
This is why I kind of look forward to our generation dying off 50 years from now. We may have started the progressive shift, but we are tainted by the old world, the wrong world, whether we like it or not. The world will never be a better place with us around.
Well for decades sex education was railed against as promoting promiscuity and sex outside marriage even though shotgun weddings and ‘premature’ babies were the norm on my home town long before sex education was.
It’s what I explained. Not that it is literally that, but that the way they talk about it can sometimes be seen as pushy. All I know is what my young family members tell me, this was not a thing when I was at school.
You’re literally just pushing soft conservative talking points trying to indicate there is an issue there while not providing any real evidence to back it. Gender affirming care is important, it saves lives, there are plenty of guard rails in place to make sure it’s not improperly administered to young trans individuals, and the regret rate is very low.
You trying to insinuate there is an issue there is literally bullshit.
I’m not pushing anything, I’m relating the opinions of people around me. Why the fuck would you expect me to bring evidence for that? I don’t know shit about this issue, I’m telling you what I hear people say. Argue with them not me.
Lol, you made a claim, said something is a thing, refuse to back it up, and then say you’re just relating what other people say. Either grow some balls or learn how to think for yourself, because you’re seriously lacking in something.
When did I ever make a claim? The first sentence of my first comment was literally that this was what I heard, not that it was the truth.
I myself don’t care enough about politics to really know what the situation is, hence why I did not state my opinion on the matter, but one thing I do know is that what lemmy seems to think is very different from what people actually think when you leave your basement.
To quote Russell:
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.
Lemmy, just like far-right forums, seems to be full of people sure of themselves.
What else do you expect? I’m not giving you a scientific paper here, I’m giving you a testimony. Ever heard of those? Mostly it’s the info I gathered over the christmas holidays from younger people who are still in school.
They aren’t entirely wrong. Liberal schools are enoursging trans kids to come out by teaching them about gender identity and tolerance at a young age, and that’s a good thing.
What maga perceives is that cis kids are being turned into trans kids because they cannot wrap their head around how trans people are born trans, not ‘pushed’ into it. Trans people have been forced to mask as cis passing for so long, that maga will point to the past and talk about how trans people don’t exist, they’re an unnatural product of liberal propaganda.
The other perspective is that kids are kids, and gender identity is spectrum. Not every kid’s gender identity is set in stone, and liberal policies that accept this fluidity is perceived as an agenda that deliberately turns cis kids into trans kids.
Yes, mags are stupid. But not necessarily because they are unintelligent, but because they fundamentally do not understand what being trans is, and are also likely bitter about their own heteronormative expectations that they have to live up to.
It’s a similar phenomenon to how women coming out as autistic face backlash even among liberals, because it does not conform to people’s idea of what an autistic person is like, because decades of research on autism have only focused on boys and men. The same way that a lot of people fundamentally don’t understand autism is an internal experience, maga doesnt understand that being trans is an internal experience too, especially when they’ve been masking their whole lives.
Yes, mags are stupid. But not necessarily because they are unintelligent, but because they fundamentally do not understand what being trans is
It’s not that they don’t understand, it’s that they refuse to try to understand. “I might be wrong” is not something they’re capable of thinking. Because they adopted the idea that all their views are moral and any other view is evil and immoral. It all falls apart with the tiniest bit of scrutiny, so they make sure to not ever question any of their bullshit.
Just found out someone I thought was somewhat intelligent recently became maga because they think schools are pushing kids to be trans. I no longer think they’re intelligent. I’ll never understand this dumb fucking shit. Half the world’s problems are caused by people being unable to think to themselves “well I don’t understand that. It’s kinda weird to me. Oh well”
Instead a bunch of assholes need to create misery in the world to somehow attempt to “resolve” their inability to do that. Rather than have something exist that they don’t understand, they need to eradicate it. Nevermind the fact that it’s both cruel and impossible to eradicate these ideas and people they don’t understand.
We should be able to trace these stories to their origins. My welsh mom was on the phone last year saying she saw in the news that schools in Scotland where I am are encouraging kids to be trans. Theyre asking them every single day “are you a girl or a boy today” when they take the register. I told her thats obviously nonsense, thats not happening. I even asked my son to be sure.
The next day, a “news article” popped up on my phone saying the exact shit about schools in Wales. Its so fucking tiring.
Murdoch media, mistery solved!
I broke up with my mom over her failure to respect queer rights. I was chased out of my town, had to run away at 17, because people were threatening me, my family, my friends - was under police protection and 24 hour surveillance for weeks. All because I came out in high school.
And now she’s like “I am a member of the log cabin republicans”
And I’m like “That’s cool, you’re not my mom anymore tho.”
Good riddance.
They’re living in their own information bubbles, and they’re deluding themselves to believe in these kind of bullshits. Used to be a conservative just when they decided they’re gonna rid all opposing ideology from the world (usually under the disguise of anti-communism), before that I was a kind of a proto-alt-right kid, and they literally believe that moderate liberals are secretly bloodthirsty satanist communists, who will kill all christians.
My mother in law is constantly posting about how the Biden administration put litter boxes in every school bathroom and they haven’t been removed.
Of course, her own grandchildren telling her they’ve never seen one in any of the 6 schools they’ve been to is just woke bullshit the teachers are instructing them to lie to their parents about.
The mental gymnastics required to believe these things is astounding, and would almost be impressive if it weren’t harming people.
Wow that is absurd. Here’s a question for her… Why hasn’t God King Trump removed them?
That litterbox story was a test. Humanity failed it by having more than like 100 wackos believe it for even a second. I find it hard to believe any moron could believe it. But I’ve met them myself so I know it’s a thing.
Oh I’ve brought that up before and it’s just been dismissed with a “he’s trying but the schools aren’t cooperating”
Never mind the fact that the thugs they hire for law enforcement would have no qualms with kicking down a school door and putting guns in faces to do whatever they want (as long as there isn’t a scary white man with a gun inside that might shoot at them) and would love the opportunity to “own the libs” by removing these thousands and thousands of litter boxes.
Like I said, the mental gymnastics are astonishing. She believes a single being created the universe, so this probably isn’t that big a stretch for her.
The funny thing here to me is that despite being an atheist/agnostic I actually find the existence of God much more believable than the litter box story. At least there’s a conceivable cause and effect there. I really struggle to relate to people who think motivations aren’t key to behavior. Sure if there was something to gain from putting litter boxes in bathrooms, I could see some people believing it. But there’s literally no explanation for it. It’s just a vague “they’re crazy” handwave happening there.
Thing is, the litterbox story has a grain of truth buried in there. I believe some schools did put litterboxes in classrooms… In case of extended sheltering in place during a school shooting.
Source?
Not OC, but as far as I read it’s been reported for one school district in Colorado.
So it was one school district and just litter, not the boxes.
https://www.denverpost.com/2018/03/03/school-shooting-preparations/
MAGA worldview is a exploit of multiple side-effects of some evolutionary-useful features, but it behaves more like a virus. Or basically, it’s a sect.
It really is like a mind virus
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Your attempt to put a coat of logic onto bigotry is disgusting and makes you worse than a conservative who admits to being racist. Because at least with them you know what you’re getting, they’re not trying to trick anyone with false motives.
I read your comments below where you claim everyone on Lemmy is a mindless drone parroting leftist ideas but you. Maybe what that feeling actually is is a sign that you’re out of your element. Reddit.com/r/conservative seems more your speed. That’s where the admitted Nazis, the supposedly moderate conservatives, and other bigots hang out. They’d welcome your anti-trans intentional lies with open arms.
This is insane. I have nothing agaisnt trans people, I don’t know where you got that idea. Then doing whatever they want to their bodies affects in no way whatsoever.
This is a subject I know little about. On one hand there’s lemmy’s opinion, on the other there’s IRL’s opinion and they are very different. I did the exact same to them, brought them lemmy’s arguments. Unfortuntately they reacted the exact same as you, called me a woke socialist and moved on.
I don’t know why you’d send me to r/conservative, I’m a leftist and will surely always be, though I’m sure not as extreme as you. It’s true though lemmy brought me closer to the right than I’ve ever been.
You brought bad faith arguments and didn’t take any care to point out that they are flawed, so, even if you strongly disagree with them and did not mean to promote them in any way, you indeed did promote them by repeating them and offering no criticism of them whatsoever.
Your language actually implied that it’s a legitimate claim to say “schools are pushing kids to be trans” which is beyond bullshit. I know someone who teaches in a very blue area and all they’re asked to do is call kids by the name they ask, and suggest talking with a counselor for kids seemed troubled. And even within that framework there are conservative teachers who are mad about those requests and don’t honor them. So yeah, it’s harmful for you to pretend things are happening which are not happening, particularly because thousands of liars are driving young people to suicide by parroting the same lie you did.
How can I say they are flawed? I’m not an expert in politics. One side tells me they are correct, the other tells me not. If I took the time to research it then maybe I could understand and make my own opinion, but there are so many (imo) more interesting things to research than politics.
But honestly, if you think relating opinions you disagree with is harmful, then perhaps you’re already too far gone. Everyone who truly believes my so-called “claims” are wrong should have no problem just ignoring them. Those who could actually be persuaded they are true do not know enough to make an informed decision about which side is correct, or if any is, anyway.
This is all just cowardly. We both know that if you said a racist thing online without disagreeing with it, you’d clearly just be spreading a toxic idea. There’s zero difference here. Bye.
you could also say that schools are pushing kids to be cis today.
and i get your point about surgery being a big impact on somebody’s life (and i personally would never undergo a not medically necessary surgery myself), but most of the time, teenagers (if they’re taking any medical process at all) take hormones (which is swallowing pills) which by the way is also done by people with diabetes (insulin is literally a hormone) and so it’s kind of a “routine thing” and that’s why i wouldn’t call it surgery.
Most of the time, though, it’s not even that; it’s literally about clothing and stuff.
This is why I kind of look forward to our generation dying off 50 years from now. We may have started the progressive shift, but we are tainted by the old world, the wrong world, whether we like it or not. The world will never be a better place with us around.
I just hope the fascists don’t win.
I agree with all of this, really it’s the ugly 1% that most conservatives are upset about.
Excuse me? Got any evidence for this bullshit?
Well for decades sex education was railed against as promoting promiscuity and sex outside marriage even though shotgun weddings and ‘premature’ babies were the norm on my home town long before sex education was.
It’s what I explained. Not that it is literally that, but that the way they talk about it can sometimes be seen as pushy. All I know is what my young family members tell me, this was not a thing when I was at school.
You’re literally just pushing soft conservative talking points trying to indicate there is an issue there while not providing any real evidence to back it. Gender affirming care is important, it saves lives, there are plenty of guard rails in place to make sure it’s not improperly administered to young trans individuals, and the regret rate is very low.
You trying to insinuate there is an issue there is literally bullshit.
I’m not pushing anything, I’m relating the opinions of people around me. Why the fuck would you expect me to bring evidence for that? I don’t know shit about this issue, I’m telling you what I hear people say. Argue with them not me.
Lol, you made a claim, said something is a thing, refuse to back it up, and then say you’re just relating what other people say. Either grow some balls or learn how to think for yourself, because you’re seriously lacking in something.
When did I ever make a claim? The first sentence of my first comment was literally that this was what I heard, not that it was the truth.
I myself don’t care enough about politics to really know what the situation is, hence why I did not state my opinion on the matter, but one thing I do know is that what lemmy seems to think is very different from what people actually think when you leave your basement.
To quote Russell:
Lemmy, just like far-right forums, seems to be full of people sure of themselves.
Dressing up your anti-intellectual hogwash in excuses
Lol.
Literally the whole base for this comment. Yikes.
What else do you expect? I’m not giving you a scientific paper here, I’m giving you a testimony. Ever heard of those? Mostly it’s the info I gathered over the christmas holidays from younger people who are still in school.
They aren’t entirely wrong. Liberal schools are enoursging trans kids to come out by teaching them about gender identity and tolerance at a young age, and that’s a good thing.
What maga perceives is that cis kids are being turned into trans kids because they cannot wrap their head around how trans people are born trans, not ‘pushed’ into it. Trans people have been forced to mask as cis passing for so long, that maga will point to the past and talk about how trans people don’t exist, they’re an unnatural product of liberal propaganda.
The other perspective is that kids are kids, and gender identity is spectrum. Not every kid’s gender identity is set in stone, and liberal policies that accept this fluidity is perceived as an agenda that deliberately turns cis kids into trans kids.
Yes, mags are stupid. But not necessarily because they are unintelligent, but because they fundamentally do not understand what being trans is, and are also likely bitter about their own heteronormative expectations that they have to live up to.
It’s a similar phenomenon to how women coming out as autistic face backlash even among liberals, because it does not conform to people’s idea of what an autistic person is like, because decades of research on autism have only focused on boys and men. The same way that a lot of people fundamentally don’t understand autism is an internal experience, maga doesnt understand that being trans is an internal experience too, especially when they’ve been masking their whole lives.
It’s not that they don’t understand, it’s that they refuse to try to understand. “I might be wrong” is not something they’re capable of thinking. Because they adopted the idea that all their views are moral and any other view is evil and immoral. It all falls apart with the tiniest bit of scrutiny, so they make sure to not ever question any of their bullshit.