Where do you think the money for Medicare for all will come from? It will come from you!
Yea as opposed to privatized healthcare where the money comes from… Oh, also you
the money comes from you!
It doesn’t have to. I always like to suggest defunding the military and seeing what comes out of their mouth.
It does have to. The US spends about $5 trillion per year in healthcare, whereas they intentionally pushed the military budget up to $1 trillion this year just because it sounded cool to Trump. Experts say we could maybe reduce the total healthcare costs to $4 trillion per year over time by improving healthcare efficiency once we have a single-payer system, but the fact remains that taxes will have to go up for most people if we want to actually institute M4A.
Edit: the $5T figure, like the related $4T one, is actually several years old, now that I think about it; it’s probably closer to $6T now.
the fact remains that taxes will have to go up for most people if we want to actually institute M4A.
yeah, but the increase will be less than what you’re spending in private health insurance
plus the $5 trillion will go down as state funded healthcare drives prices down (or has elsewhere)This is all generally true, but it won’t shake out quite this cleanly in reality. People like me, who have quality health insurance subsidized by their employees, will likely see an increase in overall cost of healthcare, which will be balanced out by many less-privileged people seeing a decrease, and sometimes a large one. Also, healthy people who do not currently have health insurance will necessarily be paying more than previously. Of course, they’ll then have health insurance, so over time they will come out ahead, but it might be hard to make that clear to them.
I’m not trying to argue against M4A here, but I think leftists and more progressive libs have a tendency to underestimate the scale of the healthcare issue, and I think that breeds skepticism among those we need to get on board with the policy if it’s ever going to be enacted. Being upfront about what it will take to make it happen, I think, helps people see a policy proposal as more credible.
Well, damn, thank you for correcting me!
It’s sad, being just another dust particle on the mountain of shit humanity has to overcome to reach peace and true humanity.
She wanted the system to be better so badly she agreed to let it fuck her to death. Completely and unironically tragic.
what a fucking moron lmao
something something leopards something my face
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Local hospital went under and now is an empty husk
Townies are all mad they have to drive 20+ minutes to the next closest one
I’m like, state should take it over
They scream bloody murder
I keep hearing about places where the hospitals like the only ones within tons of miles shutting down. Bad news
You know, I have tried not to get so much joy out of these since the election to avoid being lumped with libs or sadistic chuds, but I’ve got to admit, seeing them cry foul when Kirk was shot after spending months trying to throw people like me and my family into concentration camps, man, fuck them. I might as well have my satisfaction from slop posts like these. I’m only human and it’s pretty funny seeing them getting hit by their own imperial boomerang.
The worst part is… We couldn’t possibly hate em as much as trump does.
It’s so true lol
Deep down I still feel a stab of pity. Trump would walk on a causeway of their corpses to get a Diet Coke. He’d complain the entire time about how lumpy and uneven they are.
That’s the weirdest/best thing about all of this. On a hot mic on a livestream Trump could say “I hate my base. They are the biggest idiots in the world,” and within minutes the GOP would be scrambling to “explain” what he meant to the rubes. But later that day Trump could double down “Yeah - nobody hates my base more than me. But they love me whatever I do. They’re idiots. Absolute total idiots.” And then his base would say Trump is too good for them and they’ll try harder to get him to like them. Even though that’s an impossibility.
They’ll just say it was “taken out of context.” Seems to work for every other disgusting thing they say.
“taken out of context.”
I just realized that rightwing pundits say that or words to that effect too. And in polite company it’s a way to say “I don’t care. And fuck you too.”
It’s funny because when I imagine a left-wing person saying that but it’s followed by a 2 hour history lecture to fill in context, or paragraphs of text if it’s online. But when I imagine a right-wing person saying that it’s followed by a shrug and no further explanation.
a shrug and no further explanation
That wasn’t always the case.
Recently I watched a few minutes here or there of episodes of Firing Line with William F. Buckley. Before I looked for the vids I figured I’d have to watch random (very) shitty uploads from VHS rips. I was entirely wrong. The Hoover Institute uploaded high quality vids of the show to their Youtube channel. I have no idea how many. 100s? Maybe all 1,504 of them?
The Hoover Institute is - of course - very old-school
rib-rockedrock-ribbed GOP. They need an elaberate, tedious, complex network of rhetorical constructions for such things as why it’s a moral imperitive that the poor should be made to suffer, etc. John Kenneth Galbraith described it as “The modern conservative is engaged in one of man’s oldest exercises in moral philosophy, that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.”After Dubya got elected and 9/11 happened - the rightwing started to realize all that fancy talk maybe wasn’t so important. Power is all. And Trump and Trumpism allowed so many rightwingers to go mask off, be openly racist, be openly hateful, and not bother at all with superior moral justification jibber-jabber. I shockingly large number of them is in permanent “Fuck you. I don’t care.” mode.
rib-rocked
rock-ribbed
Late reply I know but I love you for going back and subjecting yourself to Buckley.
I agree with everything you observed, I think you’re dead on the target, but you mentioning Buckley tickled a memory of mine watching the Buckley debate with James Baldwin.
Buckley tries a few times to deflect or deflate some brilliant point Baldwin is making with some quip that gets a few laughs but shows how Buckley thought and in hindsight look an awful lot like the kind of stuff chuds will get up to later. Buckley was smart, god curse his soul, he was a skilled orator, and he was well educated. But if you cornered him he’d pull a bullshit quip to get out of the corner. You see how he has to do it several times because Baldwin is smarter and keeps out maneuvering him.
Nowadays the chuds are all yowling hogs and baying dogs and they do that shit so often it’s basically breathing for them but you can see how originally it started with this basic phenomenon: right wing ideas are bad and eventually you run out of justification for them and you bluster and sputter and deflect. Buckley was just smarter so it took longer for him to get there but Baldwin could take him there, and did take him there, on camera in front of an audience several times. Meanwhile the modern chud, the failson heir of the Buckley birthright, has none of the education or the blue blood impulse to obfuscate the cruelty of right wing politics: they go from zero to sputter town in seconds.
Just something I noticed
True. There are whole college departments and stuff dedicated to propping up the neoliberal order.
Yeah, no, I’m past the point of caring.
I don’t celebrate the misfortune of other average folks, but being an average folk myself, I don’t empathize with the leopards ate my face crowd like this person.
Fuck anyone who is still going to bat for right-wing policy and then turning around and acting like they didn’t…
Fuck all these people.
“what the heck mr presinald I thought you were only going to take healthcare away from the [SLURS], and the [EVEN MORE SLURS]! this is not what I signed up for!!!”
the leopards will never eat my face etc.
Republicans vote against their own best interests in the most startling ways sometimes. They literally don’t have the critical thinking ability to figure out theyll get fucked over. Theres at least less of a chance Dems wouldnt have gutted this dipshits healthcare. The number of people who voted solely for racism and bigotry is hilarious. They really didnt think they would suffer and Trump gives a shit about them. Studies have been done that show conservatives pretty much only care about family and friends. They are absolute sociopaths to strangers and now they are at the receiving end of that sociopathy.
Because a lot of people who vote Republican don’t have a real grasp on what they are actually voting for. They just know that “their people” are Republicans. My evangelical parents are the perfect example. They couldn’t tell you anything about the Republican platform other than “they want to lower taxes” (which in itself isn’t true for their income bracket). But they do know that they have always voted Republican along with everyone in their church, so the Republicans are “their” side. This is why they have a general belief that Republican policies won’t hurt them even if they don’t know what those policies are. They think they are part of one big team.
I’m 99% sure conservatives are fine with getting fucked over as long as minorities get fucked over harder.
I don’t think they even perceive the connection between being fucked over and who they vote for. They do not exactly have a materialist rational way of experiencing the world.
would eat shit if we had to smell their breath etc
care about family and friends.
No they don’t lmaoooo
At least in a performative way.
are you saying every single republican doesnt care about family or friends? i understand they might be a shithead who kicks their kid out for being trans, but if they care about the other family members and friends than that still qualified under that study. It wasnt parsing out which family they did or didnt like. It was showing how they felt about people in close relation vs no relation.
I’m memeing. I don’t doubt the study. It’s just the conservatives in my family say and do things that actively harm other members, myself included. And then I’ll hear some ghoul shit like Newt Gingrich starting an affair as his wife is dying or Kristi Noem shooting her dog as more proof reactionaries only care about themselves, seeing family as tools to be used for personal gain.
The worst impacts of the Big Billionaire Bill don’t start hitting until after midterms, so I think they might actually let Democrats have this round of elections so they can be left holding the bag and blamed for Trump’s agenda failing.
he’s trying to save the system from abuse and feaud so we’re able to keep funding SS, Medicare & Medicaid
Yes well one of tho⚡⚡e three is funded
This is what a fluent Maoist English speaker looks like
MSE is fun!
Bravo lol
That was the only part of the post that I paid enough attention to read.
stage 4 cancer
RIP, I wish you had used your time in a better way
The only way these people will ever learn from their folly is if they are personally negatively affected
No, they will still find a way to blame it on someone else
I don’t think that’s true or the revolution would’ve come in 1990
Maybe then, we wouldn’t have lost the Cold War.
I think it’s worse… these specific people will never learn. Maybe their kids, grandkids, etc. These people will just blame immigrants harder. Or some other group. She was literally repeating one of the most easily disproven lies regarding how social security works and the lie it can run out of funding if it’s properly maintained. As far as Medicaid goes, that’s also fine as long as it’s funded correctly. Even if both programs weren’t funded correctly… the US can literally just print money. It doesn’t fucking matter. They already do it all the time. It’s probably best to correct taxes from the wealthy and then “burn” that revenue to prevent inflation and all that. But yeah. This person is totally incapable of learning. Even as they’re starving on the street their last thoughts would be “goddamn why are there so many homeless?! I bet they’re all immigrants or gay!” As they lie on the street… also homeless…
